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Post by Mavchamp on Mar 30, 2023 17:03:08 GMT -6
Marshall
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Post by Mavchamp on Mar 30, 2023 17:44:27 GMT -6
2023 Marshall Maverick Football Schedule Aug 18 Tyler Legacy (Scrimmage) Aug 25 At Tyler Sep 01 Longview Sep 08 At Henderson Sep 15 At Carthage Sep 22 At Pine Tree Sep 29 Hallsville Oct 06 At Mount Pleasant Oct 13 Texas High Oct 20 BYE WEEK Oct 27 At Nacogdoches Nov 03 Whitehouse
Nov 10 PLAYOFFS- Bi-District Nov 17 PLAYOFFS- Area Nov 24 PLAYOFFS- Region Semifinals Dec 01 PLAYOFFS- Quarterfinals- Region Championships Dec 08 PLAYOFFS- STATE SEMIFINALS DEC 15 PLAYOFFS- STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS
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Post by Mavchamp on Apr 17, 2023 19:08:26 GMT -6
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Post by LoboHowl on May 5, 2023 19:08:28 GMT -6
Man I want Marshall to be good again. This could be the best rivalry in the state if they could get their @@@@ together. But right now the Lobos own Marshall and I don't see that changing any time soon.
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Post by Mavchamp on May 6, 2023 14:23:17 GMT -6
Man I want Marshall to be good again. This could be the best rivalry in the state if they could get their @@@@ together. But right now the Lobos own Marshall and I don't see that changing any time soon. Keep it clean please. I too wish this could be a good series. It would without a doubt be one of the best in the state if it were competitive. But right now........ I'd shed zero tears if it ended. We ended LONG streaks with Lufkin, Tyler, and Texas High....we can with Longview too. Unfortunately the powers that be see $$$$$ and that's the #1 reason it continues IMHO.
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Post by Wildcatpride on May 8, 2023 16:31:30 GMT -6
Ya'll got lucky last year. Not happenin this year. We gone run y'all out the stadium. We gonna play just as dirty as ya'll always do. House gonna get ghetto krunk on ya. Stomp that longhorn in the middle of that field.
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Post by Mavchamp on May 8, 2023 16:43:40 GMT -6
I been waiting for someone from WH to join us..... they never fail to disappoint with their forum posts. And you think that was LUCK last year? Luck is Marshall winning on a hail mary or a 1 score win. That was just a total and complete BEATDOWN. I don't know what you saw.
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Post by Dubhouse on May 8, 2023 21:59:38 GMT -6
I'll give my respect to Marshall for kicking our tails last season. We didn't think anyone was going to beat us like that, but we were wrong. We totally looked passed Marshall. That won't happen this season. We are going to be ready. Marshall's offense aint going to be nearly as good as it was last year and their defense won't be able to stop our passing game. This year is ours.
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Post by Observer on May 8, 2023 22:25:02 GMT -6
I'll give my respect to Marshall for kicking our tails last season. We didn't think anyone was going to beat us like that, but we were wrong. We totally looked passed Marshall. That won't happen this season. We are going to be ready. Marshall's offense aint going to be nearly as good as it was last year and their defense won't be able to stop our passing game. This year is ours. You didn't learn much last year when you was sleeping on Marshall. The Marshall offense will be better this year than it was last year. The ball will be spread out all over the field instead of just 1-2 players. And our defense will be better too. But keep sleeping. It will be de ja vu all over again.
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Post by Mavchamp on May 9, 2023 21:57:42 GMT -6
Ya'll got lucky last year. LUCKY? We won by 25 points!!! 42-17 Granted....it was close a good portion of the game.....but WH completely snubbed our passing game and it cost them. When they finally decided to defend the pass..... the running game took over. That wasn't luck. That was Marshall taking what WH was willing to give them.
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Post by RedandWhite on May 10, 2023 14:27:25 GMT -6
I don't think 9-1 is out of the question. If we come out on fire this season we may sneak up on Carthage. They are losing a lot.
I don't think we lost more than 3 games. Longview, Carthage, and Texas High. But I honestly think we can beat Carthage and Texas High.
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Post by MAVO on May 10, 2023 15:25:31 GMT -6
9-1 is not realistic to me. Not given the history of how we have struggled against Carthage and Texas High. Throw in Longview and that's three losses. Tyler makes me nervous. I know we won big last year, but we have to remember Tyler is a division I school that is a lot bigger than Marshall. They have a ton of athletes all over the field. More than we do maybe. Last year they had really bad coaching. I don't think that's the case this year. I don't know how fast he will have things up and running, but it's hard for me to feel 100% confident in beating them again. I hope we do, but it's a tall order. And we can't over look Whitehouse. They are going to be loaded and might be the early favorite for the district title. That's a potential for five losses. And we can't forget we were upset to Hallsville last year too. I don't think we should be getting too far ahead of ourselves.
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Post by Mavchamp on May 13, 2023 15:06:04 GMT -6
I would be shocked and THRILLED if we finished the regular season 9-1. That means we pulled a couple of upsets.......
We have a couple of games we are MOST DEFINITELY the underdog in: Longview Carthage Texas High
And knowing Tyler is a 5A Div I team....loaded with talent..... makes that one iffy. They could make a total turnaround in 2023.
Whitehouse could be trouble too if they find some defense. They will likely have the best offense in the district.
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Post by LoboGuy on May 17, 2023 12:59:17 GMT -6
I think Marshall will be improved this year, but I don't think they are going to challenge Longview and probably not Carthage either. Other than those two games, they could very well win. Probably should win most of the other except Texas High. I agree with some of the above comments. If Longview and Marshall could ever become competitive again then I think everyone would be excited about it. But right now ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by LoboHowl on May 31, 2023 17:04:57 GMT -6
I think Marshall will be improved this year, but I don't think they are going to challenge Longview and probably not Carthage either. Other than those two games, they could very well win. Probably should win most of the other except Texas High. I agree with some of the above comments. If Longview and Marshall could ever become competitive again then I think everyone would be excited about it. But right now ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Where do they improve? They lost their top two running back from last year. Take those two away and they had no offense at all. They have no passing game at all. Not even sure they have any receivers. And unless they find a defense, none of that matters. I can't even remember the last time Marshall had any defense at all. Seems like we score 50 on them every year. I agree Marshall SHOULD be #1 or #2 in their district. But their district is so terrible, who knows. Marshall lost to Mt Pleasant and Hallsville last year. Whitehouse lost to Nacogdoches. Texas High almost lost to Pine Tree and then they got beat in the first round of the playoffs to a fourth place team with a losing record. Marshall might win the district championship and I wouldn't be shocked. but they could finished in last place and I wouldn't be shocked either. Don't they only have about 30-40 players on varsity nowadays?
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Post by Mavchamp on May 31, 2023 21:00:42 GMT -6
I think Marshall will be improved this year, but I don't think they are going to challenge Longview and probably not Carthage either. Other than those two games, they could very well win. Probably should win most of the other except Texas High. I agree with some of the above comments. If Longview and Marshall could ever become competitive again then I think everyone would be excited about it. But right now ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Where do they improve? They lost their top two running back from last year. Take those two away and they had no offense at all. They have no passing game at all. Not even sure they have any receivers. And unless they find a defense, none of that matters. I can't even remember the last time Marshall had any defense at all. Seems like we score 50 on them every year. I agree Marshall SHOULD be #1 or #2 in their district. But their district is so terrible, who knows. Marshall lost to Mt Pleasant and Hallsville last year. Whitehouse lost to Nacogdoches. Texas High almost lost to Pine Tree and then they got beat in the first round of the playoffs to a fourth place team with a losing record. Marshall might win the district championship and I wouldn't be shocked. but they could finished in last place and I wouldn't be shocked either. Don't they only have about 30-40 players on varsity nowadays? Where do they improve? They lost their top two running back from last year. Take those two away and they had no offense at all. No doubt we will miss JQ Davis and Byrd Robinson...they combined for over 2000 yards rushing last year. But Gatson had a good amount too considering he was the #3 guy....over 600 yards I believe. Robinson will be RB-1 this season...but I think we will see some guys from JV make a serious run at the RB-2 and 3 positions to keep DC's guessing on who will get the ball. Take them away and we had no offense? See my comments below..... They have no passing game at all. I think several teams thought that last season and paid dearly for it. While Davis and Robinson were the focal points of the offense.... I think people forget that QB Slone had about 1,100 yards passing last season. No...that's lower than what Marshall is usually known for in the passing game...but TBH.... the running game was so good most games...we didn't HAVE TO PASS. And there were a few teams that SOLD OUT to stopping the running game and we ATE THEM ALIVE with the passing game. Whitehouse was the #1 culprit. They were determined to stop the running game..... so we passed all night pretty effectively. When they started moving out to defend the pass..... we'd shove it down their throat with the running game. It was a thing of beauty. I think we will see more of that this season with more WR's getting involved. We had ZERO depth at WR last year. Only really had 2 guys and one of them was hurt a good chunk of the season. We will have more of a corps this season..... more hands to spread it out to. unless they find a defense, none of that matters. It's no secret Longview has run roughshod over Marshall for the better part of 20 years. There have been a handful of close games, but they have mostly been few and far between. I could take the annual beating Longview gives us personally....but TBH.... have they really beaten Marshall any differently than they have anyone else in ETX5A? 6A? They have DOMINATED Legacy the last 20+ seasons....and while Tyler has gotten in a few licks here and there....most of the time Longview stomps them into the ground. Now more recently....Longview has started the same domination over Lufkin. Look at the scores of Longview Vs. Pine Tree, Hallsville, Mount Pleasant, Jacksonville, Whitehouse, Nacogdoches when they have played. All those scores are pretty similar to what we see from Longview Vs. Marshall annually. The difference is.... NONE of those other 5A-D2 schools are taking that beating annually. IF THEY DID...the scores...IMHO...would look EXACTLY how they look Vs. Marshall. Legacy is GENERALLY no more competitive Vs. Longview than Marshall. Tyler either upsets Longview....or the Lobos crush them. It's r rarely a CLOSE LOSS by the Lions. SO....like I said. I don't take the loss to Longview personally. They are doing to us what they would be (and are doing) to everyone else in ETX 5A/6A. We're just the ones that get it annually... while the other only get it when Longview has been in our football district. But the talk of ending the series is another conversation for another time. I can't even remember the last time Marshall had any defense at all. I think Marshall had the #2 defense in the district last year behind Texas High. We were #1 in defense in district ALMOST every season from 2015-2019 when we won 4(one shared) district championships in that time. Just because we struggle defensively Vs. Longview....doesn't mean we don't ever play defense. We have 9 other games in the regular season. I agree Marshall SHOULD be #1 or #2 in their district. I AGREE!!!! And everyone wrote us off last year after we lost to Hallsville. And we STILL ended up being the #2 seed after all that trash talk from Whitehouse. But their district is so terrible, who knows. I wouldn't say TERRIBLE..... we definitely underperformed. Texas High's playoff loss was shocking in sense. But they had struggled at the end of the season. Marshall was an underdog Vs. Crandall in spite of seedings. And the Mavs almost pulled off the upset...lost by 1 point with the ball inside the 1 yardline. Whitehouse almost pulled off the upset Vs. Lovejoy. Only Hallsville got blown out. Texas High has made a couple of deep runs the last few years. Marshall has been to two region semis in the last 8 seasons Terrible? I don't think so. Underperform? definitely. Marshall lost to Mt Pleasant and Hallsville last year. Absolutely not. Marshall has not lost to MP since 2013....and has only lost to them twice since 2002. We did lose to Hallsville last year in a VERY close game that I will FOREVER say we should have won. Hallsville beating Marshall is their Super Bowl. Marshall might win the district championship and I wouldn't be shocked. but they could finished in last place and I wouldn't be shocked either. One is definitely more likely than the other IMHO. Don't they only have about 30-40 players on varsity nowadays?We have a normal sized varsity,JV, and will have two 9th grade squads.
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Post by LPStrivin on Jun 1, 2023 17:42:25 GMT -6
Hey Mavchamp. I haven't really seen Marshal play since the early 2000s. Lufkin was in their prime and Marshall was building towards their state title games, but was still struggling. Do you think a rebirth of the rivalry would be good and competitive? Or do you think it would be more similar to the rivalry you have with Longview. I'm not asking to be an ass. Lufkin is in no position to trash talk another program these days. Marshall seems to make the playoffs most of the time and they always seem to sting together a good playoff run every 3-4 years. Do you think Marshall could hang with Lufkin now? Do you think yall could beat Lufkin? Or do you think it would be a blowout more often than not. Genuinely asking your opinion without being a jerk.
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Post by TX-HI-TIger02 on Jun 2, 2023 23:38:24 GMT -6
I think Marshall could hang with Lufkin for a close game, but I think Lufkin would win it. I got to give credit to Marshall. It doesn't matter if they are winning by 21 points or losing by 21 points, they never stop hustling or playing hard. Most teams will lay down once they get in the hole, but you don't see that with them. We've been fortunate to beat them several time. It's hard for any team to win at Grimmmmm.
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Post by LoboHowl on Jun 3, 2023 9:20:27 GMT -6
I think Marshall could hang with Lufkin for a close game, but I think Lufkin would win it. I got to give credit to Marshall. It doesn't matter if they are winning by 21 points or losing by 21 points, they never stop hustling or playing hard. Most teams will lay down once they get in the hole, but you don't see that with them. We've been fortunate to beat them several time. It's hard for any team to win at Grimmmmm. Lufkin would destroy Marshall every year. They haven't been even slightly competitive with us since the mid 90's. The 2-3 wins they have had against us the last 30 years have been LUCK. 2015 was a fluke and a loss totally blamed on coaching. I guess you see more in them than I do. Marshall always seems slow, unathletic, uncreative, no fire, poor coaching, and the roster numbers of a 3A school. And their fanbase actually thinks they are something special. Lufkin will be just like them in 5-10 years if they keep Quick.
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Post by Mavchamp on Jun 3, 2023 10:37:34 GMT -6
I think Marshall could hang with Lufkin for a close game, but I think Lufkin would win it. I got to give credit to Marshall. It doesn't matter if they are winning by 21 points or losing by 21 points, they never stop hustling or playing hard. Most teams will lay down once they get in the hole, but you don't see that with them. We've been fortunate to beat them several time. It's hard for any team to win at Grimmmmm. Lufkin would destroy Marshall every year. They haven't been even slightly competitive with us since the mid 90's. The 2-3 wins they have had against us the last 30 years have been LUCK. 2015 was a fluke and a loss totally blamed on coaching. I guess you see more in them than I do. Marshall always seems slow, unathletic, uncreative, no fire, poor coaching, and the roster numbers of a 3A school. And their fanbase actually thinks they are something special. Lufkin will be just like them in 5-10 years if they keep Quick. I sure love me some Lobo fans....and then there are some....SMDH. Just the pompousness of some of you is nerve-grating. We haven't been slightly competitive since the mid 90s??? You seem to think that the success of our seasons are only tied to if we win or lose to Longview. There's no denying we've struggled against the Lobos.....but not competitive? We've been to 2 state championships and I think six region semifinals since 1994 and have won 7-8 district titles in that amount of time. No...we may have not beat Longview most of those seasons....but I think we went on to have some pretty exciting seasons. I'm not even going to engage you about 2015. We were two evenly matched teams...either could have won. Marshall won. We both went on to really successful playoff runs that season. Roster of a 3A school? I have no idea where you get that. We field 2 freshman teams, a JV, and a Varsity. No...we don't have 200+ out for football like Longview does...but we also have 700-800 less students than Longview does too. So I'm not even sure why you are trying to compare the two. And yeah...we do think we're special. No...we aren't Southlake Carroll....or an Austin Westlake..... but we aren't a Pine Tree or Nacogdoches like you try to portray.
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Post by Mavchamp on Jun 3, 2023 10:52:49 GMT -6
Hey Mavchamp. I haven't really seen Marshal play since the early 2000s. Lufkin was in their prime and Marshall was building towards their state title games, but was still struggling. Do you think a rebirth of the rivalry would be good and competitive? Or do you think it would be more similar to the rivalry you have with Longview. I'm not asking to be an ass. Lufkin is in no position to trash talk another program these days. Marshall seems to make the playoffs most of the time and they always seem to sting together a good playoff run every 3-4 years. Do you think Marshall could hang with Lufkin now? Do you think yall could beat Lufkin? Or do you think it would be a blowout more often than not. Genuinely asking your opinion without being a jerk. I'd love to see the Marshall-Lufkin series reborn....even if it was just for 2 seasons. I honestly wouldn't know what to expect TBH. Lukfin is a DIV I school....that is SIGNIFICATLY bigger than Marshall. I'm guessing about 700 more. That alone automatically makes Lufkin a favorite IMHO. There's a reason the UIL classifies schools...and that's the crux of it. Lufkin has a larger talent pool than we do...and that is undeniable. Does that mean we can't compete against a Div I school? NOPE. In fact...we've done pretty well against D-1 schools (not named Longview) recently We were (1-1) Vs. New Caney in 2019 and 2020 We were (2-0) Vs. McKinney North in 2019 and 2020 We are (1-0) Vs. Tyler from last season. We will play them again this fall. That's (4-1) Vs. D-1 since 2019....MINUS..well you know. NO DOUBT I think Lufkin would be the favorite. I wouldn't be shocked if Lufkin won. I wouldn't expect a blow out But I wouldn't be shocked if we could steal a win. JMHO.
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Post by LoboHowl on Jun 4, 2023 11:36:01 GMT -6
Someone is delusional.
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Post by LPStrivin on Jun 4, 2023 14:42:34 GMT -6
Hey Mavchamp. I haven't really seen Marshal play since the early 2000s. Lufkin was in their prime and Marshall was building towards their state title games, but was still struggling. Do you think a rebirth of the rivalry would be good and competitive? Or do you think it would be more similar to the rivalry you have with Longview. I'm not asking to be an ass. Lufkin is in no position to trash talk another program these days. Marshall seems to make the playoffs most of the time and they always seem to sting together a good playoff run every 3-4 years. Do you think Marshall could hang with Lufkin now? Do you think yall could beat Lufkin? Or do you think it would be a blowout more often than not. Genuinely asking your opinion without being a jerk. I'd love to see the Marshall-Lufkin series reborn....even if it was just for 2 seasons. I honestly wouldn't know what to expect TBH. Lukfin is a DIV I school....that is SIGNIFICATLY bigger than Marshall. I'm guessing about 700 more. That alone automatically makes Lufkin a favorite IMHO. There's a reason the UIL classifies schools...and that's the crux of it. Lufkin has a larger talent pool than we do...and that is undeniable. Does that mean we can't compete against a Div I school? NOPE. In fact...we've done pretty well against D-1 schools (not named Longview) recently We were (1-1) Vs. New Caney in 2019 and 2020 We were (2-0) Vs. McKinney North in 2019 and 2020 We are (1-0) Vs. Tyler from last season. We will play them again this fall. That's (4-1) Vs. D-1 since 2019....MINUS..well you know. NO DOUBT I think Lufkin would be the favorite. I wouldn't be shocked if Lufkin won. I wouldn't expect a blow out But I wouldn't be shocked if we could steal a win. JMHO. Marshall has proven they can compete against Division I schools. Yall's record against them lately proves that. As far as losing to Longview that's no big deal. Everyone in East Texas loses to Longview. Nothing to cry about really. I'd love to see a series with Marshall reborn. If it proves to be a competitive series, then it could continue. If it proved to be blowouts, then it could end after 2 years. Would be worth a shot in my opinion.
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Post by Observer on Jun 5, 2023 17:45:10 GMT -6
I think any traditionalist would love to see us play Lufkin again. Even though the Panthers would be heavy favorites just like Tyler is. But we can likely compete. Longview seems to be the one we can't hang with. PackAttack is the Lufkin guru.
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Post by Observer on Jun 5, 2023 17:46:48 GMT -6
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Post by Hville on Jun 6, 2023 6:19:51 GMT -6
bunch of hood rats like longview they gonna lose to hallsville again this year and it wont even be closed
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Post by Yeah on Jun 20, 2023 21:30:41 GMT -6
I'll give my respect to Marshall for kicking our tails last season. We didn't think anyone was going to beat us like that, but we were wrong. We totally looked passed Marshall. That won't happen this season. We are going to be ready. Marshall's offense aint going to be nearly as good as it was last year and their defense won't be able to stop our passing game. This year is ours. You didn't learn much last year when you was sleeping on Marshall. The Marshall offense will be better this year than it was last year. The ball will be spread out all over the field instead of just 1-2 players. And our defense will be better too. But keep sleeping. It will be de ja vu all over again. Ok i maybe get your offense getting a little better but you lost every good player on your defense( mostly the D-line) your defense will get the ball run on them wayyyyy too much.
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Post by Observer on Jun 20, 2023 21:44:35 GMT -6
You didn't learn much last year when you was sleeping on Marshall. The Marshall offense will be better this year than it was last year. The ball will be spread out all over the field instead of just 1-2 players. And our defense will be better too. But keep sleeping. It will be de ja vu all over again. Ok i maybe get your offense getting a little better but you lost every good player on your defense( mostly the D-line) your defense will get the ball run on them wayyyyy too much.Marshall or Whitehouse?
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Post by Yeah on Jun 21, 2023 9:58:42 GMT -6
Ok i maybe get your offense getting a little better but you lost every good player on your defense( mostly the D-line) your defense will get the ball run on them wayyyyy too much.Marshall or Whitehouse? Marshall
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Post by MAVO on Jun 21, 2023 18:47:05 GMT -6
You didn't learn much last year when you was sleeping on Marshall. The Marshall offense will be better this year than it was last year. The ball will be spread out all over the field instead of just 1-2 players. And our defense will be better too. But keep sleeping. It will be de ja vu all over again. Ok i maybe get your offense getting a little better but you lost every good player on your defense( mostly the D-line) your defense will get the ball run on them wayyyyy too much.Oh I promise you the Mav offense will be better. That same offense that lit y’all up for almost 500 yards. Defense lost a couple of individual good players, but the unit will be better than last year. JV was 8-2 last year. I think we gonna be alright.
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