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Post by Mavchamp on Dec 2, 2023 12:09:45 GMT -6
Since we are all in the offseason now and await realignment.....let's discuss what you would like to see as a non-district schedule.
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Post by Mavchamp on Dec 2, 2023 12:28:37 GMT -6
Week 1: Pine Tree
Week 2: Ruston
Week 3: Shreveport area school (Byrd, Parkway, Airline)
Week 4: Tyler or Lufkin
1. No more Longview or Carthage.
2. A good mix of games we would likely be favored to win, favored to lose, and toss up.
Pine Tree- traditionally this is a tough, competitive game. With PT dropping to 4A....this is a way to keep the rivalry alive, have a close competitive game, and likely open the season with a victory.
Ruston- this should be a TOUGH game. One we'd likely be favored to lose. Ruston is headed to the state semifinals over in Louisiana. So a stiff test for the Mavs.
Shreveport- after a tough game...let's get one that can build some confidence. A tough, winnable game.
Lufkin or Tyler- Let's head into district play with a tough game. Both are 5A Div I schools....so they would either likely be favored to beat Marshall...but if the Mavs get a good competitive game out of it...then mission accomplished.
Other possibilities:
Kilgore (4A....but a top notch 4A with tons of history with Marshall)
Ennis
Corsicana
Huntsville (5A region finalist...former coach Rodney Southern)
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Post by Mavchamp on Dec 2, 2023 13:08:07 GMT -6
Past coaches also perfected the mix of non district games that we were favored to win and lose.
Dennis Parker
Southwood
Houston Smiley
Kilgore
Paris
Corsicana
LaMarque
Lawton, Oklahoma
Monroe Neville
Monroe Wossman
Odessa Permain
Southwood was an also-ran....even back then. Smiley was an inner city school that wasn't much of a threat. Kilgore was 4A...sometimes good. Sometimes not. Paris was 4A too... was nothing to get excited about. But he also had tough games like Corsicana and LaMarque. The Odessa series put Marshall on the map. Both of the Monroe schools were top 10 in La.
Bill Harper
Monroe Ouachita
FW DunBar
Henderson
Dallas Carter
Southwood
Dallas Skyline
Evangel
Killeen Ellison
Shreveport Huntington
Harper followed suit that Parker set. He had a mix of games Vs weaker and stronger teams. Harper kicked off the series Vs. Ouachita that lasted almost 20 years. It was mostly an even series throughout. FW Dunbar was truly awful. Henderson was a strong 4A team that we split with. Southwood was still awful from the Parker days. Skyline was never a world beater...but they were HUGE. So it was always tough game. Evangel was cream of the crop back then. Killeen Ellison was one of the top 5A teams in the state back then. Shreveport Huntington was worse than Southwood.....AWFUL.
Rodney Southern
Longview
Atlanta
Lufkin
Ouachita
Shreveport Huntington
Byrd
Southern made sure the Longview series continued even after Marshall dropped to 4A. This was before Lobo dominance had taken over. Same with Lufkin. Even series with Ouchata continued. Huntington was TERRIBLE still. Byrd was a very good even series. Highly competitive.
Thedrick Harris
Longview
Monroe Neville
Cypress Woods
Kilgore
Shreveport Huntington
Longview's dominance was really coming alive. Neville was still a top 10 team from La...and a competitive series. Kilgore was always a tough game. Huntington was still terrible.
Clint Harper
Kilgore
Longview
Royse City
Crandall
Like all the coaches before him....Harper perfected a perfect balance of teams that tested us Vs. built confidence. Kilgore and Longview were pretty hard on us during his tenure. We struggled against both. But we had trmendous success Vs. RC and Crandall while he was building back a winner from the ashes of the previous coach.
Claude Mathis
Corsicana
Longview
Tyler Lee
Carthage
Coach Mathis only had 3 non-district games to make....and he did a good job. He started a competitive series Vs Corsicana....we went 1-1 against them. Same with Tyler Lee....a 6A team we split with. He revived the long dormant Carthage series too.
All this to say..... some Mav fans tend to be more romantic about the past than it actually was concerning the schedule. Yes..."back in the day" we were playing top notch programs like Permian and Ellison, and Evangel, Neville, and Dallas Carter..... but we were also playing teams like Southwood... and Huntington, and Henderson.....
The secret to success is mixing games you SHOULD win..... with games we MIGHT win.
JMHO.
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Post by Playboy15 on Dec 4, 2023 10:16:12 GMT -6
Tyler
Longview
Terrell
Lufkin
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Post by Mavdad on Dec 4, 2023 13:29:18 GMT -6
Those Southwood teams were terrible. But those Hunington teams were maybe the worst we ever played. Still had deep playoff runs. I agree it's about balancing the good teams with the weaker teams.
Week 1- Tyler
Week 2- Byrd
Week 3- Lufkin
Week 4- Pine Tree
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Post by Mavdad on Dec 4, 2023 13:31:15 GMT -6
How many of the Longview games have been within 10 points in the last 20 years?
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Post by Playboy15 on Dec 4, 2023 16:46:56 GMT -6
How many of the Longview games have been within 10 points in the last 20 years? 2005 Mavs lost by 12 2006 Mavs lost by 3 2013 Mavs lost by 14 2015 Mavs won by 3 2021 Mavs lost by 14 So I guess, Two Games !!! |
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Post by LoboHowl on Dec 4, 2023 21:49:53 GMT -6
It's a blowout every single year. It's never competitive. It's a total waste of time for both schools. Longview needs to be playing a heavyweight of 6A and Marshall can go play a cupcake 3A so they can maybe get 8 wins in a season.
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Post by Mavfan4life on Dec 5, 2023 14:34:15 GMT -6
Playing longview IS a waste of time. Mavchamp sent this to me a few months ago
2002: lost 42-13
2003: lost 49-16
2004: lost 40-15
2005: lost 28-16
2006: lost 38-35
2007: lost 41-7
2008: lost 50-21
2009: lost 47-30
2010: lost 31-9
2011: lost 30-0
2012: lost 48-0
2013: lost 26-14
2014: lost 56-13
2015: won 28-25
2016: lost 56-7
2017: lost 41-7
2018: lost 60-14
2019: lost 53-0
2020: lost 48-7
2021: lost 14-0
2022: lost 48-11
2023: lost 48-7
Record: (1-21)
Outscored: 919-260
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Post by Mavfan4life on Dec 5, 2023 14:37:51 GMT -6
Week 1: Shreveport Byrd
Week 2: Tyler
Week 3: Lufkin
Week 4: Pine Tree
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Post by Mavfan4life on Dec 5, 2023 14:43:31 GMT -6
My question about Longview is this:
Do all those blowouts to the Lobos help us? Or do we learn and get better when we playa really tough game win or lose?
Lose to Longview 49-7 or beat Lufkin 21-17?
Lose to Longview 53-7 or lose to Tyler 28-21?
Lose to Longview 51-0 or beat Pine Tree 21-20 in OT?
Lose to Longview 42-10 or lose to Kilgore 24-21?
Lose to Longview 35-3 or beat Byrd 17-14?
Win or lose, all of those second options do us more good than a lopsided loss to Longview that does nothing for either team.
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Post by Playboy15 on Dec 5, 2023 22:05:08 GMT -6
Playing longview IS a waste of time. Mavchamp sent this to me a few months ago 2002: lost 42-13 2003: lost 49-16 2004: lost 40-15 2005: lost 28-16 2006: lost 38-35 2007: lost 41-7 2008: lost 50-21 2009: lost 47-30 2010: lost 31-9 2011: lost 30-0 2012: lost 48-0 2013: lost 26-14 2014: lost 56-13 2015: won 28-25 2016: lost 56-7 2017: lost 41-7 2018: lost 60-14 2019: lost 53-0 2020: lost 48-7 2021: lost 14-0 2022: lost 48-11 2023: lost 48-7 Record: (1-21) Outscored: 919-260 In 1992 James Carville, Bill Clinton's Campaign Manager told his staff "It's The Economy Stupid" I'm going to borrow His phraseology. "It's the Coaching Stupid"
Prior to John King's arrival in Longview as Head Football Coach, the Lobos had put up 40 or more points against the Mavs only seven times in the history of the series. Since King took over as Head Coach in Longview, in 2004, the Lobos have put up 40 or more points thirteen times in 19 seasons. Now, I just don't believe that in 2004 the players in Longview just suddenly, miraculously, became genetically, and athletically superior to the athletes in Marshall. what they got was better Coaches. Since King has been coaching the Lobos he has faced off against seven different Maverick's head coaches. He has out coached all of them, so far. Every football game involves two separate contests. There is the physical contest on the field between the players ,and there is the strategic contest on the sidelines between the Offensive and Defensive coordinators for each of the two teams. If the players either can't, or don't execute the play called by the coaches, they will probably lose the game. If the coaches call the wrong play at the right time or the right play at the wrong time they will also probably lose the game. The Lobos are not invincible !!! If they were, they would have more than one state championship in the last 20 years. They just have better coaches. I think that, if Coach Alvarez remains in Marshall long enough for his coaching style to take full effect, The Mav's can be competitive with the Lobos. The talent is there for the Mav's. Winning will be up to the coaches in the next couple of seasons. By the way, even though the blowouts the Lobos's have inflicted on the Mav's lately have seemed bad, they whipped some other team or teams on their schedule in each of those years by more points than they handed out to the Mav's I'm just sayin' MAV"S win District title in 2024, even if we lose to Longview... |
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Post by Playboy15 on Dec 5, 2023 22:13:34 GMT -6
In 1992 James Carville, Bill Clinton's Campaign Manager told his staff "It's The Economy Stupid"
I'm going to borrow His phraseology. "It's the Coaching Stupid"
Prior to John King's arrival in Longview as Head Football Coach, the Lobos had put up 40 or more points against the Mavs only seven times in the history of the series.
Since King took over as Head Coach in Longview, in 2004, the Lobos have put up 40 or more points thirteen times in 19 seasons.
Now, I just don't believe that in 2004 the players in Longview just suddenly, miraculously, became genetically, and athletically superior to the athletes in Marshall.
what they got was better Coaches. Since King has been coaching the Lobos he has faced off against seven different Maverick's head coaches. He has out coached all of them, so far.
Every football game involves two separate contests. There is the physical contest on the field between the players ,and there is the strategic contest on the sidelines between the Offensive and Defensive coordinators for each of the two teams.
If the players either can't, or don't execute the play called by the coaches, they will probably lose the game. If the coaches call the wrong play at the right time or the right play at the wrong time they will also probably lose the game.
The Lobos are not invincible !!! If they were, they would have more than one state championship in the last 20 years. They just have better coaches. I think that, if Coach Alvarez remains in Marshall long enough for his coaching style to take full effect, The Mav's can be competitive with the Lobos. The talent is there for the Mav's. Winning will be up to the coaches in the next couple of seasons.
By the way, even though the blowouts the Lobos's have inflicted on the Mav's lately have seemed bad, they whipped some other team or teams on their schedule in each of those years by more points than they handed out to the Mav's
I'm just sayin' MAV"S win District title in 2024, even if we lose to Longview...
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Post by Scared money don’t make money on Dec 6, 2023 14:05:44 GMT -6
Why stop the series of Longview vs Marshall it’s rich tradition take that game you’ll lose a lot of fans in the stands.. You need the Longview vs Marshall game to see where our kids stand at so it’s always a good measure to use on whether which athletes are All BARK NO BITE !! IMO sounds like a lot you on these forums never played. Bring back MAV MAKER . Let’s start there! Then recruit talent to the school like everyone else in east texas !!
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Post by Turfer on Dec 6, 2023 16:14:53 GMT -6
Playing Longview's bench for the entire second half after being down 45-0 is just stupid. A close game is 1000 times better for the team. Longview doesn't even respect us. They laugh at us.
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Post by Playboy15 on Dec 6, 2023 17:36:40 GMT -6
Why stop the series of Longview vs Marshall it’s rich tradition take that game you’ll lose a lot of fans in the stands.. You need the Longview vs Marshall game to see where our kids stand at so it’s always a good measure to use on whether which athletes are All BARK NO BITE !! IMO sounds like a lot you on these forums never played. Bring back MAV MAKER . Let’s start there! Then recruit talent to the school like everyone else in east texas !! I Agree!!! MAV MAKER Led to the only State Title the Mavericks have ever won, and that game was against a school with twice Marshall's enrollment !!! |
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Post by Turfer on Dec 6, 2023 21:01:42 GMT -6
You can't win a state championship the same way they won state championships 30 years ago. All the squat thrusts and tire tossing competitions in the world won't make it happen. It's about schemes and perfecting your systems. It's about becoming a specialist in your position. We need elite camps, skills experts, conditioning, and smart coordinating. All the cornbread crap that they tried in 1990 will never work now. It's the old school Mav fans that resist change that are holding this program back. Always stuck in 1990. You've been left behind. Catch up or it will never happen again.
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Post by Playboy15 on Dec 7, 2023 17:18:11 GMT -6
You can't win a state championship the same way they won state championships 30 years ago. All the squat thrusts and tire tossing competitions in the world won't make it happen. It's about schemes and perfecting your systems. It's about becoming a specialist in your position. We need elite camps, skills experts, conditioning, and smart coordinating. All the cornbread crap that they tried in 1990 will never work now. It's the old school Mav fans that resist change that are holding this program back. Always stuck in 1990. You've been left behind. Catch up or it will never happen again.  ?? |
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Post by Turfer on Dec 7, 2023 22:16:56 GMT -6
Totally ducked my statement. Because deep down you know I'm right. Some in the Marshall fan base are stuck in 1988. 1990. Football isn't the same. This cornbread hell some of you are spouting off makes you sound like crazy old men shouting at kids on your yard. Marshall is going to get left behind if those voices win out. New ideas, new schemes, and new approaches are needed.
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Post by Playboy15 on Dec 8, 2023 8:09:32 GMT -6
Totally ducked my statement. Because deep down you know I'm right. Some in the Marshall fan base are stuck in 1988. 1990. Football isn't the same. This cornbread hell some of you are spouting off makes you sound like crazy old men shouting at kids on your yard. Marshall is going to get left behind if those voices win out. New ideas, new schemes, and new approaches are needed. I didn't duck your statement... I just don't get what role "cornbread" plays in a football game... You talk about "elite camps, skills experts, conditioning, and smart coordinating". I call that "COACHING".Finesse and trick plays can score points in the first half of a game, but in the second half, Toughness, Physical strength, and Stamina will win out. A Championship Offense needs a smart mobile QB with a quick strong arm, quick agile scatbacks, a big smash mouth tailback, Strong mobile OL, and well coached speedy receivers with sticky fingers. A Championship defense needs GREAT SPEED, QUICK REFLEXES, a lot of UPPERBODY STRENGTH, and STAMINA at all positions. If your team has all that, almost any half way competent coaching staff can win a lot of games. The only team I ever saw play that had all those qualities was the 2005 Highland Park Scotts. they embarrassed the Mavs 59-0 on 12-10-2005 at Rose Stadium... I was there, I saw it happen !!! If your team dose not possess all those qualities, the Coaching staff must compensate with smart play calling on both Offense and Defense. However, Smart Play Calling, will not consistently overcome Exhaustion in the second half of a game. I guess that's where CORNBREAD like MAV MAKER comes in.... |
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