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Post by Mavchamp on Sept 24, 2022 13:22:48 GMT -6
Marshall and Hallsville are separated by only 15 miles, but the programs have been light years apart most of their 22 year history. But this year's version of the Battle of Harrison County is the biggest game the two have played in several years.
Marshall (3-2, 1-0) is coming off of a district opening 36-7 win over Pine Tree while Hallsville (3-2, 0-1) fell to Texas High 56-31.
The Mavericks are looking to keep pace with Texas High and Nacogdoches, who also won their district openers.... while Hallsville wants to assert themselves as a contender as well.
The Bobcats come in with an offense that been lighting up the scoreboard all season averaging 35.6 PPG. They will be facing a Marshall defense that has held opponents under 200 yards a game three times in five games. The Mavs are giving up 26.6 PPG overall (14.3 PPG against teams not named Longview or Carthage).
Hallsville's defense has had their struggles; giving up an average of 38.6 PPG and they will be looking to slow down a Marshall offense that averaged over 300 yards rushing in their three wins. The Mavs are averaging 26.2 PPG (40.6 PPG against teams not named Longview or Carthage).
Hallsville Beat Terrell 44-41 Beat Henderson 49-35 Beat Sulphur Springs 34-21 Lost to Kilgore 40-20 Lost to Texas High 56-31
Marshall Beat Tyler 40-29 Lost to Longview 48-11 Beat Henderson 44-7 Lost to Carthage 42-0 Beat Pine Tree 36-7
Marshall leads the series over Hallsville (17-5). The Mavs have won the last 7 meetings dating back to 2015.
Biggest Hallsville Victory: 2003 Bobcats won 40-9 Biggest Marshall Victory: 2017 Mavericks won 58-14
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I'll get all the stats and info posted in the next day or two.
GO MAVS GO!
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Post by RedandWhite on Sept 24, 2022 13:42:56 GMT -6
I think we should win this week. But we will struggle to beat elite teams with no passing game.
I don't think we've thrown for 400 yards yet in five games.
We may struggle to beat Hallsville, but we should. But beating Texas High with no passing is not very realistic.
No threat to throw means teams are stacking the box on us. That will make running even harder.
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Post by Playboy15 on Sept 24, 2022 17:20:28 GMT -6
Well Hallsville is certainly not Longview or Carthage, so I agree the Mavs should win this week.
I also agree that our passing game has not been effective. I think that half of our pass completions have been to receivers who were behind the line of scrimmage when the pass was caught. I think that is one more reason for the opponent to stack the box. I don't think the Mavs can expect defenses to back off the line unless they can consistently throw completions down field, not just sideline jump ball routes, but to tight ends on crossing routes and WR on a post route.
Lets go Mavs
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Post by Mav01 on Sept 25, 2022 18:06:36 GMT -6
That's why I say start letting Bird get some Qb reps in. It would be one thing if Slone was able to throw dimes and have a high completion percentage, but he's mostly good at managing the game and not making many mistakes.
He looks good passing the ball at times and the wrs have dropped some passes, but I'd be willing to bet Bird could have a similar completion percentage. Most of our routes are in the slot or short out routes. The benefits of having his mobility would greatly outweigh the small difference in the passing game.
Having to account for his legs would help open up the running and passing game. That's assuming you can get him somewhat accurate in the short passing game. He doesn't have to be the starter, but having it as a package would give you another option if things aren't clicking.
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Post by acoach'sdaughter on Sept 26, 2022 16:38:50 GMT -6
Totally disagree about Byrd. Slone can take care of the passing if given the opportunity. At this point, it’s been a running game only. That’s a coach’s decision.
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Post by RedandWhite on Sept 26, 2022 17:03:15 GMT -6
Totally disagree about Byrd. Slone can take care of the passing if given the opportunity. At this point, it’s been a running game only. That’s a coach’s decision. He's throws 16 passes a game and he's completing 8 a game. A 50% completion isn't great. He's 40-82 for the season. Less than 50% Maybe we're a running team because we don't make completions at a very good rate.
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Post by Mavchamp on Sept 26, 2022 17:22:59 GMT -6
Totally disagree about Byrd. Slone can take care of the passing if given the opportunity. At this point, it’s been a running game only. That’s a coach’s decision. He's throws 16 passes a game and he's completing 8 a game. A 50% completion isn't great. He's 40-82 for the season. Less than 50% Maybe we're a running team because we don't make completions at a very good rate. In fairness.... he's had some perfect passes they were flat out dropped by the wide receivers. Several a game to be honest. He should easily be over 50% and have close to 500 yards if he gets those catches. We got to remember this is a junior here.....getting his first full year of varsity starts. He's growing. And he's done a fantastic job of managing the game (not losing it). I could be wrong...but with the former staff.... instead of growing him into a pcoket passer slowly... we'd be slinging it and he's be getting interceptions that could cost of games. We saw that last year. I like how we're growing him into being a game manager AND a passer. It's going to come together. Slowly but surely. But in the meantime.... let's lean on the run game.... and not give it away with reckless turnovers.
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Post by Mav01 on Sept 26, 2022 18:16:00 GMT -6
With the type of passes he is throwing (short/quick bubbles/hitches and sideline jump balls)he should have a very high completion %. Our O-line hasn't protected well enough to add in the intermediate-deep balls. Which is why it makes sense to add a package with a more mobile Qb. The type of routes we are able to get off are high percentage for nearly any Qb. Except now you can throw in some zone reads, bootlegs, options, designed Qb runs/draws etc. Imagine having Bird, JQ, and Gatson in the backfield together, while still being able to throw the same quick route combinations we use anyways.
Slone has done very well in managing the game and I'm sure he could eventually do more in the passing game if he wasn't getting clobbered everytime he holds the ball longer than 3 seconds. I'm sure we could even win most games with Slone under center the entire game. However, it's going to take more options to match up against defenses like Texas High,Carthage, Longview and whomever we may face in the playoffs.
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Post by Observer on Sept 26, 2022 18:53:08 GMT -6
Seems like Byrd was interception-prone last year. He had 2 or 3 in the Crosby game. Had several in district play when Olvera was out. He's definitely more mobile, but I think he becomes a liability and can give a game away.
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Post by Playboy15 on Sept 26, 2022 19:23:46 GMT -6
Hey Guys and Gals, Coach Alvarez has done a pretty good job of Game Planning so far, considering he has less than 40 Players on the varsity team. The Mavs have beaten every opponent handily, so far, except Longview and Carthage. By the way, Nobody else has beaten Longview or Carthage either. Lets face it, the Mavs aren't going to win the 5A Dll State Championship this year. They can however, put up a respectable winning season. Remember these kids have been coached by three different head Coaches. I think they are a very talented team. if they weren't, we could be 0 - 5 instead of 3 -2. Could the Mavs have performed better? Maybe, but they should be proud of their record so far. I doubt if Texarkana could beat Longview or Carthage either. Texarkana is our toughest opponent in district 8-5A Dll. We should be able to beat every other team in the district. Can we beat Texarkana? Yes, if we play to our maximum capability, and if they don't respect our players abilities, that will make winning a little easier. I'm not counting on them making that mistake. The truth is there is only one game that matters now, and that is the one this week, against our next opponent, who ever that is. Lets just go to Hallsville Friday night and win that game. The point spread only has to be 1 point in our favor to count as a win.
Support The Players! Give the Coaches some time to build the team! We could win another State Championship in another year or two!!!
GO MAVS!!!
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Post by Observer on Sept 26, 2022 20:09:48 GMT -6
Hey Guys and Gals, Coach Alvarez has done a pretty good job of Game Planning so far, considering he has less than 40 Players on the varsity team. The Mavs have beaten every opponent handily, so far, except Longview and Carthage. By the way, Nobody else has beaten Longview or Carthage either. Lets face it, the Mavs aren't going to win the 5A Dll State Championship this year. They can however, put up a respectable winning season. Remember these kids have been coached by three different head Coaches. I think they are a very talented team. if they weren't, we could be 0 - 5 instead of 3 -2. Could the Mavs have performed better? Maybe, but they should be proud of their record so far. I doubt if Texarkana could beat Longview or Carthage either. Texarkana is our toughest opponent in district 8-5A Dll. We should be able to beat every other team in the district. Can we beat Texarkana? Yes, if we play to our maximum capability, and if they don't respect our players abilities, that will make winning a little easier. I'm not counting on them making that mistake. The truth is there is only one game that matters now, and that is the one this week, against our next opponent, who ever that is. Lets just go to Hallsville Friday night and win that game. The point spread only has to be 1 point in our favor to count as a win. Support The Players! Give the Coaches some time to build the team! We could win another State Championship in another year or two!!! GO MAVS!!! I don't understand why we only have 40 players on Varsity. Just two years ago they said we had the most football players we've had in twenty years in the program. I remember Mavchamp talking about it. Where have all those numbers gone? Was our last coach not truthful about the numbers?
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Post by Playboy15 on Sept 26, 2022 20:29:15 GMT -6
I don't know where the players are, but every team we have played, so far this year, has a larger roster than the Mavs.
Even Henderson!
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Post by Mav01 on Sept 26, 2022 21:03:27 GMT -6
Nobody is talking down to the team, coaches or Qb. We are doing very well considering how early it is into an entire new coaching staff change. This is a fans forum and opinions/armchair quarterbacks are a part of what makes the season fun.
You can continue to have success at what you do as a program, while also looking at potential areas that can be tweaked to make you a better TEAM. Nothing wrong with that. The great coaches never stop brainstorming at ways to improve or be more successful. It's not ok to accept that we are a 2nd or 3rd place team. This team should still be improving from week to week as they learn a new system and start returning back to fundamentally sound football.
Slone was more of an INT threat than Bird last year simply because Bird ran the ball 95% of the time he was at Qb. I'm not saying he's a better Qb, I'm saying with the Oline not allowing us to open up the entire play book against physical defenses, it limits what routes we run. Most of our passes are designed, predetermined quick throws. If you are going to be limited to short simplistic throws and a one dimensional offense, you may as well make the most of it. You have time and opponents left to slowly work in a package. At the very least, you've developed more depth and an added concern for opposing D- coordinators.
No matter who's playing. GO MAVS!!
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Post by Mavchamp on Sept 29, 2022 21:05:27 GMT -6
JV won over Hsllsville 28-0
9th grade A team lost 13-6
9th grade B team won 16-6
Time for the varsity to make is 3/4!!!!!
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Post by Playboy15 on Sept 30, 2022 4:54:09 GMT -6
Hey MAVCHAMP, How many players are on the JV roster? just curious, I can't go to the games, and the roster is not published anywhere, that I can find
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Post by Observer on Oct 1, 2022 2:18:19 GMT -6
Our play selection in this game was mind blowing. Particularly in the first half.
We would have third and fourth and long and we'd call these slow developing plays in the backfield. Hallsville was keyed in on that stuff.
We would run like crazy between the 20's and then we'd close the playbook when we got close to scoring.
And how do you expect a QB to complete long passes downfield when we've barely thrown it all season? A couple of those 3/4 down passes deep down the field made zero since. We should have shoved the ball down their throat on third and fourth down.
The offensive coordinator called a crap game the entire first half. ZERO points in the first half? We should have had at least 17 points at the half. 21 if we're honest.
Totally different team in the second half, but once we got pinned in our own end zone the dumb backfield plays showed up again. Just a total lack of awareness of where we were on the field. We practically game Hallsville the touchdown with that possession.
I guess if anything positive game out of this game is that Collier Slone can be an effective passer if the offensive line will block...which they really struggled with tonight.
There's no reason that we cant pass the ball enough to make the oposing defenses spread a little bit. They are stacking the box and killing our run blocking.
They guys played flat in the first half. Got the feeling they weren't taking Hallsville seriously. That's on the players. Can't overlook teams.
But our offensive game plan in the first half stunk and that was 100% on the coaches. And that poor first half is what cost us the game.
And I'll be honest. I think Hallsville will lose another district game. Maybe 2. We need that to happen.
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Post by Bobcat13 on Oct 3, 2022 7:57:27 GMT -6
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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