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Post by Mavdad on Jan 9, 2024 20:56:44 GMT -6
Longview
Tyler
Lufkin
Pine Tree
Jacksonville
Hallsville
Texarkana
Nacogdoches
Mount Pleasant
Whitehouse
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Post by Mavchamp on Jan 9, 2024 21:31:08 GMT -6
Drop Longview and Carthage. Keep Tyler....pick up Lufkin
Week 1: Pine Tree
Week 2: Tyler
Week 3: Lufkin
Week 4: Corsicana
Week 5: Jacksonville
Week 6: Whitehouse
Week 7: Mount Pleasant
Week 8: Nacogdoches
Week 9: Texas High
Week 10: Hallsville
I like the idea of Hallsville bing the last game...... we need to build this as a rivalry game. The order of the rest of the district games is pretty irrelevant.
Let's open the season against a decent team.... but a game we can/should win.
Week 2...let's have a tough game. Challenge us..... Tyler should be pretty good in 2024. Bigger 5A Div I team. 5 OT again?
Week 3... let's renew is Lufkin. They are 5A div I....bigger.... they will be favored. But maybe we can get a good game with them.
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Post by Mavgrad05 on Jan 10, 2024 14:38:32 GMT -6
Get rid of Longview and Carthage
Nondistrict
Pine Tree
Tyler Lee
John Tyler
Lufkin
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Post by LoboHowl on Jan 17, 2024 14:03:26 GMT -6
Get rid of Longview and Carthage Nondistrict Pine Tree Tyler Lee John Tyler Lufkin That's a pretty good schedule for Marshall in my opinion. They could finish as good as 3-1, which would be a great start with that lineup. But they could be 1-3, but they would be battle tested headed into district. |
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Post by MAVO on Jan 17, 2024 15:36:16 GMT -6
Pine Tree was a playoff team in 2023 and should be pretty good again this season. They would be a good game to open the season. May we well pencil in Longview in week 2, it's a done deal. I'd keep Tyler but I'd close out before district with someone like Byrd.
Pine Tree
Longview
Tyler
Byrd
I wish we'd get rid of Longview too, but it aint happening.
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Post by Observer on Jan 17, 2024 16:16:57 GMT -6
Pine Tree
Longview
Corsicana
Lufkin
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Post by Ghost24 on Jan 17, 2024 16:29:07 GMT -6
All the crybabies want to run away from Longview.
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Post by Observer on Jan 17, 2024 16:45:29 GMT -6
All the crybabies want to run away from Longview. Because losing to them 50-7 every year isn't embarrassing? That's fun? That's useful? |
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Post by Observer on Jan 17, 2024 16:47:07 GMT -6
All the crybabies want to run away from Longview. So losing to them 50-7 every year is better than beating another team 24-21 on a last second touchdown that was a close game the whole time? That makes zero sense. |
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Post by Pops on Jan 17, 2024 17:12:15 GMT -6
Cut:
Longview
Carthage
Add:
Louisiana School
Tyler
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Post by Ghost24 on Jan 18, 2024 11:27:29 GMT -6
All the crybabies want to run away from Longview. So losing to them 50-7 every year is better than beating another team 24-21 on a last second touchdown that was a close game the whole time? That makes zero sense. Beating a scrub is better? |
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Post by MAVO on Jan 18, 2024 16:58:45 GMT -6
So losing to them 50-7 every year is better than beating another team 24-21 on a last second touchdown that was a close game the whole time? That makes zero sense. Beating a scrub is better? Who said anything about beating a scrub? Or playing a scrub for that matter? No one is asking us to replace Longview with a pillow fight game. We are asking for a game that's actually competitive. A game that actually makes us better. A game that makes us grind out a possible win. A game full of 3 and outs does absolutely NO GOOD. Punter gets lots of practice. The defense doesn't even get much practice against Longview either because it's usually a quick 80 yard pass or a long 65 yard run one after another. The Longview game does not make us better. It's a total waste of time. Why not play Ennis or Terrell or Corsicana, or Byrd, or kilgore. Let's get some long drives in. Let's learn how to get a tough defensive stop. Let's squeak out a really close win. And if we lose, then we lose by 7 points. Or 10. Not by 40 or 50. I guess since the blind folk here in Marshall seem to want to keep it going, the only way this stops is for Longview to end it. Because it doesn't help them at all. I guess we need need the Longview AD to end it. |
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Post by MAVO on Jan 18, 2024 17:01:20 GMT -6
If we drop Longview
Pine Tree
Tyler
Byrd
Ennis or Corsicana or Terrell Kilgore
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Post by Mavchamp on Jan 18, 2024 17:41:49 GMT -6
I said this once....I'll say it again.....
People have a weird romantic view of the past that is usually not the reality of the situation.
Everyone wants to go back to the Parker and Harper days....even the Southern days and talk about the BIG games that got us ready for our deep playoff runs.
The Odessa Permian games, Dallas Carter, Killeen Ellison, Monroe Neville, etc etc etc
But they tend to forget some of those "scrub" teams that EACH had on the non-district schedule.
Parker had Shreveport Southwood on the schedule almost every season he was in Marshall...and they were AWFUL. We played Kilgore back then...and Kilgore was nothing special back then either. We had Houston Yates on the schedule in 1987 and they were a bottom feeder.
Harper had teams like Shreveport Huntington on the schedule. They might have actually been WORSE than Southwood. We played Henderson under Harper...and we can't forget playing Texas High in the 90s when they had not sniffed the playoffs in 20-30 years. Can we remember playing Fort Worth Dunbar? SCRUB. Dallas Skyline was a scrub back then. All were regulars in the 90's.
Southern continued lackluster series like Huntington and tossed in Atlanta....who was 3A!!! No one complained.
So spare me the lectures about how playing weak teams is poisoning the program.
NO ONE....literally NO ONE is asking us to replace Longview with a scrub team.
NO ONE is asking for a Southwood, or a Huntington, or a Fort Worth Dunbar on the schedule.
Almost ALL of those games were Marshall wins in the 45-7 or 55-10 range. All blowous.
We're not asking for that.
We're asking for CLOSE AND COMPETITIVE GAMES against teams that are similar to the teams we will face in district play and in the playoffs.
Who in our district or in the playoffs is like Longview? NO ONE.
So why waste a 50 point loss game to them?
And possibilities for good close games are ENDLESS
Lufkin, Tyler, Kilgore, Chapel Hill, Corsicana, Ennis, Terrell, Mesquite Poteet if we go to Dallas.... we can go South and check out Huntsville, the Caney Schools, the Klein schools...... we can go to Lousisiana anc check out Airline, Parkway, Byrd, Ouachita, Ruston......
Anything....literally ANYTHING is better than another blow out loss to a Lognview view that we have no business playing.....and even more so now with them moving up to 6A.
Let's load up on some top 10 5A Div II schools. Top 10 4A Div I schools...... I'm even ok with some 5A Div I schools that would actually serve us well.
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Post by Ghost24 on Jan 20, 2024 18:29:08 GMT -6
Losing to Longview 50-7 is better than winning a close game against a team that doesn't mean anything. Getting smacked around by Longview motivates the guys to get better.
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Post by MAVO on Jan 22, 2024 9:23:08 GMT -6
Losing to Longview 50-7 is better than winning a close game against a team that doesn't mean anything. Getting smacked around by Longview motivates the guys to get better. You are delusional. That's completely false. |
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Post by Playboy15 on Jan 22, 2024 15:26:16 GMT -6
Some of you boy's seem to think Longview can't be beaten, but somebody beats them every year. Otherwise they would have more than two State Championship trophies in the case.
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Post by MAVO on Jan 22, 2024 18:42:44 GMT -6
Some of you boy's seem to think Longview can't be beaten, but somebody beats them every year. Otherwise they would have more than two State Championship trophies in the case. Marshall can't. How many times have we won in the last 25 years? Twice? Maybe 6-7 times in the last 50 years. And the only schools beating them regularly are teams that have multiple state championships like Aledo, Lake Travis, Denton Guyer. Marshall aint on any of those team's level. A d2 school has no business playing a d1 school with almost 1000 more students than them. |
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Post by Coach on Jan 23, 2024 9:55:36 GMT -6
They need to stop playing Longview and Carthage. Forget about Lufkin and Tyler Lee. Find some d2 schools to play. That's your division and you should stick to it.
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Post by Coach on Jan 23, 2024 9:59:37 GMT -6
Corsicana
Ennis
Byrd
Crandall
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Post by Mav01 on Jan 23, 2024 19:56:04 GMT -6
I wouldnt mind playing Longview if it was just one school dominating most games because they are just the better team in similar circumstances. Longview is now going to be 2 divisions over us. That's a major handicap to have to be in the boys minds every year. Heck, our Varsity numbers are less than most 4a teams some years. If we were Tyler Lee and got smoked by Longview every year, I would be fine with the annual challenge. We would need to use Longview as that measuring stick.
I know the rivalry is ancient and famous, but circumstances change. Marshall and Hallsville are closer and nearly identical in enrollment. Let that be the new big rivalry if that's what we need.
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Post by Playboy15 on Jan 25, 2024 15:39:26 GMT -6
I think all your hand ringing and angst over whether the new Head Coach will cancel the series with Longview is wasted effort.
I had lunch with "Harlan The Sports Guy", from KYKX in Longview today. and he assured me. "there is no appetite in the Longview coaching staff, or the Lobo's fan base to cancel the series." Since he talks with John King almost every week, I think he would know...
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Post by Playboy15 on Jan 25, 2024 18:25:13 GMT -6
I wouldnt mind playing Longview if it was just one school dominating most games because they are just the better team in similar circumstances. Longview is now going to be 2 divisions over us. That's a major handicap to have to be in the boys minds every year. Heck, our Varsity numbers are less than most 4a teams some years. If we were Tyler Lee and got smoked by Longview every year, I would be fine with the annual challenge. We would need to use Longview as that measuring stick. I know the rivalry is ancient and famous, but circumstances change. Marshall and Hallsville are closer and nearly identical in enrollment. Let that be the new big rivalry if that's what we need. Longview is the smallest school in Texas 6A division they are 5 students over the limit. They have an enrollment of 2280 students. Marshall has an enrollment of 1512. So, they have 768 more students than we do. Longview is 50% bigger than Marshall High. Marshall is 50% bigger than Henderson and we have been playing them for years. We are 100% bigger than Carthage and they have whipped our ass for the last three years. The size of the student body does not dictate the winner of the game. There are 6A schools who could not stay on the field with the Mavericks, and there 4A schools that can make the Mavericks eat the turf. The big difference is the COACHING !!!!!!!
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Post by Observer on Jan 26, 2024 11:46:55 GMT -6
I wouldnt mind playing Longview if it was just one school dominating most games because they are just the better team in similar circumstances. Longview is now going to be 2 divisions over us. That's a major handicap to have to be in the boys minds every year. Heck, our Varsity numbers are less than most 4a teams some years. If we were Tyler Lee and got smoked by Longview every year, I would be fine with the annual challenge. We would need to use Longview as that measuring stick. I know the rivalry is ancient and famous, but circumstances change. Marshall and Hallsville are closer and nearly identical in enrollment. Let that be the new big rivalry if that's what we need. Longview is the smallest school in Texas 6A division they are 5 students over the limit. They have an enrollment of 2280 students. Marshall has an enrollment of 1512. So, they have 768 more students than we do. Longview is 50% bigger than Marshall High. Marshall is 50% bigger than Henderson and we have been playing them for years. We are 100% bigger than Carthage and they have whipped our ass for the last three years. The size of the student body does not dictate the winner of the game. There are 6A schools who could not stay on the field with the Mavericks, and there 4A schools that can make the Mavericks eat the turf. The big difference is the COACHING !!!!!!!
GARBAGE TAKE. Placing this solely at the feet of coaching is ludicrous. When was the last time Marshall had a coach that had a winning record against Longview? It's probably been over 50 years or more. Parker had a losing record against them. Harper. Southern. Before Parker there was a near 20 year losing streak. Stop feeding the garbage that it's ONLY coaching that has made our misery with Longview. Enrollment matter. Numbers matter. If it didn't matter the UIL wouldn't go through so much trouble to put schools in the correct class so frequently. Every two years! So it's obvious that it's important. And calling Carthage a normal 4A school is laughable. They beat us down...they beat Crosby a couple of years back and they were in the semifnals. Carthage is a piss-poor example to use as a 4A school. As for Henderson....Marshall has NO BUSINESS playing Henderson. We are much bigger. We would win most games by large margins. Had it not been for storms the game last fall would have been a 30-40 point win instead of a 14. Coaching is not it. Otherwise Parker, Harper, Southern, and others would have had success against Longview. None of them really did. Get real |
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Post by Playboy15 on Jan 26, 2024 21:23:11 GMT -6
GARBAGE TAKE. Placing this solely at the feet of coaching is ludicrous. When was the last time Marshall had a coach that had a winning record against Longview? It's probably been over 50 years or more. Parker had a losing record against them. Harper. Southern. Before Parker there was a near 20 year losing streak. Stop feeding the garbage that it's ONLY coaching that has made our misery with Longview. Enrollment matter. Numbers matter. If it didn't matter the UIL wouldn't go through so much trouble to put schools in the correct class so frequently. Every two years! So it's obvious that it's important. And calling Carthage a normal 4A school is laughable. They beat us down...they beat Crosby a couple of years back and they were in the semifnals. Carthage is a piss-poor example to use as a 4A school. As for Henderson....Marshall has NO BUSINESS playing Henderson. We are much bigger. We would win most games by large margins. Had it not been for storms the game last fall would have been a 30-40 point win instead of a 14. Coaching is not it. Otherwise Parker, Harper, Southern, and others would have had success against Longview. None of them really did. Get real Either You are looking at the wrong Coach Harper or you can’t count… Dennis Parker was the Mavericks head coach for 7 seasons, from 1984 until 1990, his record against Longview was 3-4 Bill Harper, (not Clint Harper), Mavericks head Coach for 11 seasons, from 1991 until 2001. Bill Harper’s record against Longview was 5-6 from 1991 until 2001. The score differential under Parker for all seven games was: points scored by the Mavs - 131, average score per game 18.7 points points scored by the Lobos – 113, average score per game 16.1 points So, while Dennis Parker was head Coach the Mavs out scored the Lobos by 18 total points The score differential under Bill Harper, (not Clint Harper) for all eleven games was: points scored by the Mavs - 193, average score per game 17.5 points. points scored by the Lobos – 222, average score per game 20.1 points. So, while Bill Harper was Head Coach the Lobos outscored the Mavs by 29 total points CONCLUSION: Over eighteen seasons, from 1984 to 2001 Out of 18 games, the Mavs won 8, and the Lobos won 10. Out of 18 games, the Mavs scored 324 points, and the Lobos scored 335 points. That looks like PAIRITY to me!!!
Now, you say, “the Mavs aren’t competitive with the Lobos”, and you are right since John King took over. John King took over as Head Coach in Longview in 2004. Since then, we have played 20 games against the Lobos. Lobos won 19 games while scoring 828 total points, average score per game 41.4 points. Mavs won 1 game while scoring 241 total points, average score per game 12 points I just don’t buy the idea that between 2002 and 2004 the Lobo players suddenly became bigger, faster, stronger, and more agile, and just plain tougher than the Mavs… What changed after Bill Harper retired in 2001? CONCLUSION: The Mavs had seven different Head Coaches, while the Lobos had two. In other words, THE LOBOS HAD A GREAT COACH, AND THE MAVS HAD A NEW COACH !!!
STATS DON’T LIE… IT’S THE COACHING, STUPID !!!
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Post by Observer on Jan 27, 2024 8:02:15 GMT -6
Either You are looking at the wrong Coach Harper or you can’t count… Dennis Parker was the Mavericks head coach for 7 seasons, from 1984 until 1990, his record against Longview was 3-4 Bill Harper, (not Clint Harper), Mavericks head Coach for 11 seasons, from 1991 until 2001. Bill Harper’s record against Longview was 5-6 from 1991 until 2001. The score differential under Parker for all seven games was: points scored by the Mavs - 131, average score per game 18.7 points points scored by the Lobos – 113, average score per game 16.1 points So, while Dennis Parker was head Coach the Mavs out scored the Lobos by 18 total points The score differential under Bill Harper, (not Clint Harper) for all eleven games was: points scored by the Mavs - 193, average score per game 17.5 points. points scored by the Lobos – 222, average score per game 20.1 points. So, while Bill Harper was Head Coach the Lobos outscored the Mavs by 29 total points CONCLUSION: Over eighteen seasons, from 1984 to 2001 Out of 18 games, the Mavs won 8, and the Lobos won 10. Out of 18 games, the Mavs scored 324 points, and the Lobos scored 335 points. That looks like PAIRITY to me!!!
Now, you say, “the Mavs aren’t competitive with the Lobos”, and you are right since John King took over. John King took over as Head Coach in Longview in 2004. Since then, we have played 20 games against the Lobos. Lobos won 19 games while scoring 828 total points, average score per game 41.4 points. Mavs won 1 game while scoring 241 total points, average score per game 12 points I just don’t buy the idea that between 2002 and 2004 the Lobo players suddenly became bigger, faster, stronger, and more agile, and just plain tougher than the Mavs… What changed after Bill Harper retired in 2001? CONCLUSION: The Mavs had seven different Head Coaches, while the Lobos had two. In other words, THE LOBOS HAD A GREAT COACH, AND THE MAVS HAD A NEW COACH !!!
STATS DON’T LIE… IT’S THE COACHING, STUPID !!!
I can count, can you? The so called “golden years” of the Longview rivalry according to you was 1984-2001. And we STILL had a losing record. 8-10. And that’s the best of our rivalry? Before Parker came in 1984 Marshall already had a 14 year losing streak to them. And you are ignoring a major point I was making. Back in the late 1980s and through a chunk of the 90s Longview had an enrollment close to what they have now: 2200. Marshall was in the upper 1800s and 1900’s back then. The gap was significantly smaller between us. After the 2000s our enrollment dropped. It got as low was 1300. Back up to 1500. Our lack of competitiveness was directly tied to when we got smaller. Sure the frequent coaching changes are a factor too. But to pretend that enrollment doesn’t matter at all…. THAT’S STUPID. |
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Post by Playboy15 on Feb 1, 2024 10:12:27 GMT -6
Mavericks new district schedule for 2024-2026
5A Div ll District 7
Hallsville
Jacksonville
Marshall
Mount Pleasant
Nacogdoches
Texarkana Texas
Whitehouse
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Post by Mavchamp on Feb 4, 2024 9:42:59 GMT -6
Aug 22 Pine Tree (scrimmage)
Aug 30 Tyler
Sep 6 Longview
Sep 13 @ Tyler Legacy
Sep 20 @ Palestine
Sep 27 BYE
Oct 4 Mt Pleasant
Oct 11 @ Tex Hi
Oct 18 Jacksonville (HC)
Oct 25 @ Nacogdoches
Nov 1 Hallsville (Sr night)
Nov 8 @ Whitehouse
What are your thoughts on the new schedule?
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Post by Mavchamp on Feb 4, 2024 9:48:36 GMT -6
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Post by Observer on Feb 4, 2024 14:27:42 GMT -6
I would have liked to have seen Pine Tree as a regular game in place of one of the Tyler teams. I guess were are going to continue being Longview's whipping boys getting embarrassed another year. Maybe we'll grow some stones and stand up to them. It's sad we let old school folk force this game when it's a waste of time for both teams. Chase the all mighty dollar.
We got to figure out who out quarterback is going to be and we've really got to address our offensive line. They are the reason we lost to Tyler, Mount Pleasant, Texas High, and Heritage. Defense needs to figure out how to stop a screen pass and defend down the field.
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