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Post by Marshallite2.0 on Aug 29, 2022 12:00:07 GMT -6
Put everyone out of their misery and end this series. Marshall can play people more on their level like pine tree and Spring Hill. They probably suck against them too. Clearly you have a Lobo education because someone with brains would know that Marshall is in district with Pine Tree and we typically beat them. Marshall is way about Spring Hills level too. I’m thinking we find out of DFW to play like with did with McKinney North. |
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Post by Lobofan on Aug 29, 2022 14:50:47 GMT -6
Marshall lose to pine tree and hallsville all the time. What you talkin about?
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Post by RedandWhite on Aug 29, 2022 15:01:09 GMT -6
Marshall lose to pine tree and hallsville all the time. What you talkin about? Mavchamp will you school this fool |
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Post by Mavchamp on Aug 29, 2022 15:11:58 GMT -6
Marshall lose to pine tree and hallsville all the time. What you talkin about? Actually...... Marshall is (34-8) against Pine Tree and Hallsville since 2000. (17-3) Vs. Pine Tree (17-5) Vs. Hallsville |
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Post by Former mav on Aug 29, 2022 15:51:04 GMT -6
Mavs win in OT!!
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Post by Lobofan on Aug 29, 2022 15:54:57 GMT -6
Marshall lose to pine tree and hallsville all the time. What you talkin about? Actually...... Marshall is (34-8) against Pine Tree and Hallsville since 2000. (17-3) Vs. Pine Tree (17-5) Vs. Hallsville What's that record against Longview? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
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Post by goonsquad on Aug 29, 2022 17:47:50 GMT -6
Can’t we just get rid of those just talkin smack for no reason. I guess we’ll see Friday night who can back it up. I’m not saying Longview isn’t a great team. I am sayin you, Lobofan, have absolutely nothing to do with their greatness. This Mavs team is better than last years too. And the Mavs are playin with house 💰. Longview has everything to lose. We got nothing to lose.
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Post by Mav2009 on Aug 29, 2022 17:57:18 GMT -6
Marshall gets one of the biggest regular season upsets in school history
Marshall 35
Longview 31
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Post by lobomomma66 on Aug 29, 2022 18:57:51 GMT -6
The Mavs are headed to Longview to take on the #1 Lobos. It's the 112th game between the two programs. Longview has dominated the series since 2000..... Marshall has only won twice in that time span. I'll get all the good stuff posted this week. Trying to figure out how this works. Good luck to both teams! Being a Proud Maverick Alum and a Proud Lobo Momma, I want to see this series continue and be competitive. It’s just good for bEASTexas football when Mavericks and Lobos are both good. You guys are very complimentary of King as you should be. He’s amazing. I hear great things about Alvarez and hope he returns Marshall to glory. Lobo fans better play nice on this forum. Our fan base IS crazy. And fun. And reminds me of Maverick Nation of the late 80’s, early 90’s. Please Note….clear bag policy is enforced and credit cards are required for concessions. See y’all Friday. Keep an eye out, cause This LOBO will still raise my Horns on the home side during the Marshall almamatar. 💚❤️ |
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Post by Lobofan on Aug 30, 2022 10:46:01 GMT -6
Why y’all talkin smack? I don’t ever remember Marshall being good. Only lost once in my lifetime and that’s cause the refs cheated us.
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Post by mav75 on Aug 30, 2022 13:36:45 GMT -6
This is not about talking smack,this about knowing our kids,knowing what we bring to the table,and having total and complete confidence in our current coaching staff to make it happen. I didn't just predict Marshall to win this game, but I predicted Marshall to win long before we played Tyler. Everybody keeps talking about the game being close, and Longview eventually pulling away. If you're not careful, the table will get turned, and it'll be Marshall pulling away. Regardless to what you've witnessed in the past as it relates to Marshall teams, this ain't them. What you will witness on Friday night will be a preview of future Marshall/Longview games. Hopefully you'll get excited about this series once again becoming competitive. Although,I think that it'll be a bitter pill for you to swallow (Marshall tagging that tail on a regular), but you'll get use to it (we did). I know that there are those that are probably saying,"stop poking the wolf,you'll make him mad!" Well, so be it. I have that much confidence in these kids, and this coaching staff. See yah Friday,"Go Mavs! "
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Post by LoboFan07 on Aug 30, 2022 14:34:29 GMT -6
Although,I think that it'll be a bitter pill for you to swallow (Marshall tagging that tail on a regular), but you'll get use to it (we did) I'm not sure what "Lobofan" is trying to do with the posts on this board, but I'll respond on this line.
Marshall might become more competitive with Jack as coach, who knows. But tagging us on the regular? Come on man.
Longview is 44-9-0 against Marshall in the last 53 years. Lost once in the last 21 years, by three points.
Our sub varsity teams, have not lost a single game to Marshall since 2005 (Freshmen are 18-0, JV are 17-0-1).
Overall as a program, we are 56-3-1 since John King arrived in 2004. And a ton of those have been complete blow outs.
We're looking at potentially one of the most successful periods of Longview football in the next couple of years, but Marshall, who's only been past the 2nd round twice since 2010 is suddenly going to start "tagging that tail?"
You believe as much as you want, but I can guarantee you that Marshall is not going to start dominating us.
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Post by LPPack on Aug 30, 2022 14:50:50 GMT -6
Why y’all talkin smack? I don’t ever remember Marshall being good. Only lost once in my lifetime and that’s cause the refs cheated us. Photo taken the last time Longview lost a game fairly  |
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Post by Observer on Aug 30, 2022 15:05:28 GMT -6
Trash talk, pettiness, and arrogance. Welcome to Marshall versus Longview
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Post by mav75 on Aug 30, 2022 15:32:50 GMT -6
I hear what you are saying, and I can't do anything about what has happened in the past. You know what you have in Longview, and I know what we have in Marshall. I'm not mad at you, because, it is what it is, and you have earned the right to say what you are saying based on history. But please don't get mad at me for feeling, and believing the way that I do. After all what is life without a little hope and optimism. In fact don't hate, celebrate that we now have a coach that is the right fit for us. Celebrate that we have a coach that wants to be in Marshall, and not using us as a stepping stone to get somewhere else. The thing that I'm most excited about, is that a byproduct of all this, is that that we get a more competitive game annually,rather than the usual predicted outcome. Now, make no mistake about it. I do believe that we will win Friday night, and that we will start winning on a much more regular basis. I guess we'll all see what we have to look forward to pretty soon. "Go Mavs! "
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Post by Mavchamp on Aug 30, 2022 15:38:57 GMT -6
Stats Vs. Longview are painful to look at. But they are what they are.
Claiming we're going to start dominating seems foolish IMHO.
I think what most Marshall fans (and maybe even some Longview fans) would like to see is competitive games between us. We don't have to "dominate" Longview on any level to be considered successful.
If we can become annually competitive with them at all levels.... it benefits both. And once we get there..... the win/loss ratio may even out a little bit.
But right now.... we aren't there. Our sub-varsities just went (0-3) against Tyler last week. Longview is better than Tyler in sub-varsity play. Carthage will be too.
JMHO.
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Post by MAVO on Aug 30, 2022 16:04:02 GMT -6
Stats Vs. Longview are painful to look at. But they are what they are. Claiming we're going to start dominating seems foolish IMHO. I think what most Marshall fans (and maybe even some Longview fans) would like to see is competitive games between us. We don't have to "dominate" Longview on any level to be considered successful. If we can become annually competitive with them at all levels.... it benefits both. And once we get there..... the win/loss ratio may even out a little bit. But right now.... we aren't there. Our sub-varsities just went (0-3) against Tyler last week. Longview is better than Tyler in sub-varsity play. Carthage will be too. JMHO. I don't know how old you are, but I can tell you Longview has always dominated at the subvarsity level. Doesn't matter what classification they have been in , doesn't matter what district they are in, doesn't matter who their coach is. Longview has always dominated everyone in freshman and JV football. The dominated Marshall even in the 80's and 90's. Same with Lufkin and John Tyler and Tyler Lee. They have a perfect setup with all middle schools feeding into one high school. |
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Post by WP4L on Aug 30, 2022 17:02:10 GMT -6
I hear what everyone is saying. Those say Mavs got it. Those that say Longview will beat us down. Look at the facts since 2019. The freshman class took Longview freshman class to the limit. Could’ve easily won this game. I keep seeing this, so gonna address it. Yes, these SRs played a close one as freshmen. But, Longview still won....and it was without Mr. Jalen Hale who spent his freshman season catching passes from Haynes King on varsity. Here's what keeps getting lost in this whole entire thing. Longview's SR class, as good as they are, is probably Longview's weakest class. It's Longview's '24 and '25 classes that are special, '24 class being the main reason Longview is so dangerous right now with DI players like Taylor Tatum, Willie Nelson, Buddha Garrett, DK Reese etc. So, if you think Marshall matches Longview talent for talent in the SR class...that's fine. But what's outside of that? Because Longview's firepower is mostly outside of their strong SR class. |
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Post by mav75 on Aug 30, 2022 17:54:48 GMT -6
Just for the record I'm 65 rapidly approaching 66. So, if you want to: "Blame my thinking on sometimer's." I've been an avid supporter of this team since 1971. No, I'm not disillusioned about the Marshall/Longview series, and I'm painfully aware of how Longview has dominated this series over the years. Therefore, my opinions are not based upon numbers and statistics, because numbers can be skewed. They are based upon first hand knowledge and personal experience. I'm truly grateful for each and every one of our previous coaches, because each have brought something very unique to the table, and each coach served a particular purpose. I never want this to sound as if I'm trashing any previous coaching administration. I'm just ecstatic to have a coach that is the right fit for Marshall. Only time will tell how much of a difference this coach makes. "Go Mavs!"
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Post by Mavfan4life on Aug 30, 2022 18:36:10 GMT -6
Just for the record I'm 65 rapidly approaching 66. So, if you want to: "Blame my thinking on sometimer's." I've been an avid supporter of this team since 1971. No, I'm not disillusioned about the Marshall/Longview series, and I'm painfully aware of how Longview has dominated this series over the years. Therefore, my opinions are not based upon numbers and statistics, because numbers can be skewed. They are based upon first hand knowledge and personal experience. I'm truly grateful for each and every one of our previous coaches, because each have brought something very unique to the table, and each coach served a particular purpose. I never want this to sound as if I'm trashing any previous coaching administration. I'm just ecstatic to have a coach that is the right fit for Marshall. Only time will tell how much of a difference this coach makes. "Go Mavs!" Being excited about the direction of the program is different than talking about dominating a program that has owned us for decades. I think everyone is excited about where things are headed. But you don't turn around two decades of domination in a few months. We still got a lot of things to work out before we talk about dominating anyone. We haven't seen what our quarterback can do when a passing game is actually needed in a game. We didn't need to pass against Tyler. Can he? Do we have the protection to pass? Can he get the ball to his receivers? Is he accurate or is it a possible interception? Do we have someone to kick fieldgoals and extra points? Can our secondary cover without penalty after penalty? Can we defend the pass at all? We gave up over 200 yards to a team that isn't a passng team. Are we going to have fumbles again? We had several, one gave Tyler a touchdown. We were lucky we recovered the others. 160 yards in penalties. We won big against Tyler, but it was far from polished and nowhere near perfect. And Longview is much better than Tyler. Getting the big head after one game isn't smart. Not when we are about to play the #1 team in the state. |
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Post by mav75 on Aug 30, 2022 20:09:23 GMT -6
I will reserve any further comments until later. If you think that I'm excited because we beat Tyler,you're sadly mistaken. I haven't been bashful about making my feelings known how I feel about this group of kids, and this coach. If the truth were really told, I never thought Tyler even had a chance against this team. My belief in this team will not be dampen regardless of the outcome of this game, but I do believe that we will win Friday night. One thing is for sure, this team is much farther than we would've expected at this time. To answer a few questions for you. Yes, the OL will hold up, and give the QB time to pass. Yes, the QB will be able to make the passes to his WR's, and yes the penalties will be cleared up this week. I can say this with confidence, because I know these kids, I have followed their progression from spring ball, to 7 on 7, to off season workouts, to now. As I've said before,we'll all see pretty soon.
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Post by LoboFan07 on Aug 31, 2022 8:14:22 GMT -6
I hear what you are saying, and I can't do anything about what has happened in the past. You know what you have in Longview, and I know what we have in Marshall. I'm not mad at you, because, it is what it is, and you have earned the right to say what you are saying based on history. But please don't get mad at me for feeling, and believing the way that I do. After all what is life without a little hope and optimism. In fact don't hate, celebrate that we now have a coach that is the right fit for us. Celebrate that we have a coach that wants to be in Marshall, and not using us as a stepping stone to get somewhere else. The thing that I'm most excited about, is that a byproduct of all this, is that that we get a more competitive game annually,rather than the usual predicted outcome. Now, make no mistake about it. I do believe that we will win Friday night, and that we will start winning on a much more regular basis. I guess we'll all see what we have to look forward to pretty soon. "Go Mavs! " Why would I get mad at you?
I'm all for fans having faith their squad, have confidence in those boys. They just upset, maybe not to you but across the state it was considered an upset, a team that had talked all off season about how they were going to compete for a district championship in a division above you. You should be celebrating that. And I agree, you should be celebrating you have a coach that wants to be in Marshall.
How long will coach Jack stay there remains to be seen, but as long as he is, I do think Marshall is headed in the right direction.
My only issue is that you think you're going to start dominating a team that has literally lost 9 times to y'all in the last half century+ lol. There's a massive difference between getting a W over us, and dominating us.
Very seldom have we been dominated under coach King, and when we have, it's been the absolute top teams of Texas HS Football at the time. Marshall might be improved, but they are not a Denton Ryan/Lake Travis type of team. I don't think anyone has the capability of doing that this season. And if they do, well, props to em. Now, we might make mistakes. No doubt we have issues to clean up just like y'all do. And who knows, injuries are a thing, penalties can kill a team, turnovers...we all know about those. But going man to man, there's not a team in 5A D1, much less D2, that I think would be able to dominate us this season.
Good luck Mavs. Regardless, I'm cheering for you post Longview game no matter how I feel this coming Friday turns out.
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Post by Mavchamp on Aug 31, 2022 12:12:20 GMT -6
I agree with Lobofan07....... winning against Longview more often and seeing the series become more comptetitive should be a goal. I honestly think MOST (not all) Longview fans WANT the series to be competitive again.
But winning more games against them and DOMINATING them are two very different things.
We have dominated Hallsville since we started playing them.
We have dominated Pine Tree since we started playing them
We have dominated Mount Pleasant since we started playing them
We have dominated Nacogdoches since we started playing them
I'm happy about all of those.
But Longview is not only not in the same orbit as these 5A Div II schools. In fact....there have been very few 5A Div I schools that have beat them.....or 6A for that matter.
I'll take a win against them any year. It can be by 1 point every time....who cares?
But dominate? I think that's wishful thinking in a world not set in reality.
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Post by Playboy15 on Aug 31, 2022 16:16:17 GMT -6
Some of you are delusional. You just pop off based on your emotions. Well, good for you.
Let me tell you the truth about the past 6 decades of the series.
During the 1960’s and again during the 1990’s the two teams were very competitive.
From 1960 to 1969 each team won 5 games with an average margin of victory of 10.7 points.
From 1990 until 1999 each team won 5 games with an average margin of victory of 13.7 points
During both the 60’s and the 90’s both teams had fairly stable Coaching staffs.
From 1970 to 1989 the Lobos won 18 games straight the Mavs won the last 2 (’88 & ’89) of the twenty games. During this period the Lobo’s average margin of victory was 13.27 points. The Mavs won the last 2 games of the 80’s by 28 and 33 points respectively.
During the twenty years, (70's & 80's) Lobos had 3 different Head Coaches, Mavs had 6 different Head Coaches,
In 1990 the Mavs not only beat the Lobos by 20 points, they also beat the Converse Judson Rockets, (Judson had an enrolment double the size of Marshall) to win the Texas 5A Division 1 Championship
The difference was Coaching. During the last 14 of the 18 year run of wins for the Lobos, Doug Cox was head coach at Longview ISD, and from 1984 until 1990 Denis Parker was Head coach for Marshall ISD. The two of Head Coached were opponents in a total of seven games. Cox won 4 games with an average point spread of 15.75 points. Parker won 3 games with an average point spread of 27 points.
Since the year2000, the Lobos have won 20 games, the Mavs have won 2.
The margin of victory for the Lobos’ twenty wins has been 26.55 points.
The average margin of victory for the Mavs in their two wins was 6.5 points.
Again, the difference is coaching. The Lobos have had just 2 different Head Coaches in twenty-two years. John King, (a championship caliber Coach) has guided the Lobos for the past 18 years. (talk about continuity) At the same time the Mavs have had 8 different Head Coaches. Only Rodney Southern stayed for five years. (2002-2006) He lead the Mavs to two consecutive state championship finals games. (2004-2005)
That brings us to the 2022 matchup between the Lobos and the Mavs. Both schools consistently produce top quality players. Both teams have talent on the field this year. That is half of the equation.
As for the other half of the equation, both Coaches have won state championships. Both Coaches have a high caliber staff to back them up. Both Coaches are preparing their teams for the game of the week. Both Coaches have a superior sense of the game as it progresses. Both Coaches will pull out all the stops to win the game.
Conclusion: Neither team should get blown out. It will probably be a war on the field.
I will be there to see it. I pray none of the players get hurt. I pray that the fans will behave themselves. I pray that the officials wear their glasses. I look forward to analyzing the stats Saturday morning. I hope to see you there too!!
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Post by mav75 on Aug 31, 2022 22:21:44 GMT -6
Playboy, thanks for making this plain enough that a blind man should be able to see it. It is my personal opinion that a true rivalry can not be established overnight, or in a few years. So, it is impossible to duplicate, with Hallsville or Carthage, something that has been forged over a hundred years. That's not to say that these won't grow to be games of great importance, but they will never be Marshall/Longview. For those who have even entertained the idea of discontinuing this game: 1. No coach has the right to discontinuing this series, because this game doesn't belong to the coach, it belongs to the community. 2. If this game is ever discontinued, you alienate a whole segment of your community. 3. You never tare down something that you don't have the ability to rebuild. If this series is ever stopped and restarted again, it would take over a hundred years to reestablish the consecutive years played. If everything holds true to form according to the information given by Playboy, we should be in for pretty exciting game Friday. I also look forward to a very competitive series in the near future.
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Post by LoboFan07 on Sept 2, 2022 19:24:08 GMT -6
Conclusion: Neither team should get blown out. It will probably be a war on the field. Conclusion: It's not the 1980s/1990s. |
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Post by Observer on Sept 2, 2022 19:42:50 GMT -6
I hear what you are saying, and I can't do anything about what has happened in the past. You know what you have in Longview, and I know what we have in Marshall. I'm not mad at you, because, it is what it is, and you have earned the right to say what you are saying based on history. But please don't get mad at me for feeling, and believing the way that I do. After all what is life without a little hope and optimism. In fact don't hate, celebrate that we now have a coach that is the right fit for us. Celebrate that we have a coach that wants to be in Marshall, and not using us as a stepping stone to get somewhere else. The thing that I'm most excited about, is that a byproduct of all this, is that that we get a more competitive game annually,rather than the usual predicted outcome. Now, make no mistake about it. I do believe that we will win Friday night, and that we will start winning on a much more regular basis. I guess we'll all see what we have to look forward to pretty soon. "Go Mavs! " Will you shut the hell up now? We all kept telling you that you’re a fool. You don’t talk trash when you haven’t done anything in 30 years. |
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Post by MAVO on Sept 2, 2022 20:27:21 GMT -6
Mav75 need to crawl into a hole and STFU.
We not just getting beat, we’re getting stomped into a mud hole.
Zero improvement from any of the past coaches and staffs that were here before.
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Post by LoboFan07 on Sept 2, 2022 22:31:44 GMT -6
Best of luck the rest of the way Mavericks. Always cheering for you when we don't play.
And please, let's end the series already.
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Post by mav75 on Sept 3, 2022 2:27:30 GMT -6
I won't make any excuses, so let me congratulate the Lobos on a great win tonight. Good luck the rest of the way. I will also admit that I was wrong in my accessment of where our team is at this time, and that we are not quite where I thought we were yet. My position has not changed as it relates to this series continuing. When you look at, and consider the Lobos margin of victory over schools in their same division, and 6A when you won state,we don't have to be ashamed, or apologize. It just reminds us of how work we still have to do.. You guys keep raising the bar, and reestablishing the water mark of excellence in football. We look forward to meeting you at the top soon. ^Go Mavs!"
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