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Post by Mavchamp on Aug 27, 2022 14:40:44 GMT -6
The Mavs are headed to Longview to take on the #1 Lobos.
It's the 112th game between the two programs. Longview has dominated the series since 2000..... Marshall has only won twice in that time span.
I'll get all the good stuff posted this week.
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Post by RedandWhite on Aug 27, 2022 18:11:00 GMT -6
The defense has a lot of work to do. They were suppose to be the strength of the team this year, but they were more of a liability Friday night. Stupid penalties gave Tyler a couple of scores. The secondary looked confused and got burned several times. The offense was the one that was suppose to be shaky, but they were the star of the night. I con't understand why we weren't punting the ball either. Do we not have a kicker? Going for it on fourth down will get you beat against good teams.
I was happy about the win, but we definitely had some issues. Longview won't be as forgiving of our mistakes as Tyler was. If we make the same mistakes we made against Longview, we might get 80 points scored on us. Longview means business this year.
We need a perfect storm to get a win. We will need a perfect offensive game with no turnovers. Score on each drive and hope Longview gives us 4-5 turnovers. Always a chance for an upset, but Longview looks loaded at every position.
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Post by Mavchamp on Aug 27, 2022 18:40:52 GMT -6
The defense has a lot of work to do. They were suppose to be the strength of the team this year, but they were more of a liability Friday night. Stupid penalties gave Tyler a couple of scores. The secondary looked confused and got burned several times. The offense was the one that was suppose to be shaky, but they were the star of the night. I con't understand why we weren't punting the ball either. Do we not have a kicker? Going for it on fourth down will get you beat against good teams. I was happy about the win, but we definitely had some issues. Longview won't be as forgiving of our mistakes as Tyler was. If we make the same mistakes we made against Longview, we might get 80 points scored on us. Longview means business this year. We need a perfect storm to get a win. We will need a perfect offensive game with no turnovers. Score on each drive and hope Longview gives us 4-5 turnovers. Always a chance for an upset, but Longview looks loaded at every position. Deservedly...Longview will be a heavy favorite. #1 in the state. Talent ALL OVER THE FIELD. Agree....we have some cleaning up to do on defense.... but it should be correctable. I also agree we will need Longview to have some turnovers.....something they rarely seem to do for us. |
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Post by mav75 on Aug 27, 2022 22:01:04 GMT -6
No, we don't need Longview to make mistakes and turnovers (except if they are created by our defense) to win this game. Regardless of the disparity in enrollment numbers,Marshall has the talent, and ability to win and play with Longview every year. Marshall wins this game because we have kids who are not going into this game just to compete, or make a good showing; Marshall wins becase we have a team that has taken on the personality of there coach, and they expect to win. Yes, we have some areas that we need to clean-up, but that is to be expected after the first game. Make no mistake about it, this defense is exactly who we thought they were at the beginning of the season (maybe better). The Wildcard is every body knows that the offense is going to eventually be good, they just didn't know it was going to be this good, this soon. This team doesn't have to learn this new system, through hard work they have already gotten it down. If we are not careful, we will witness one of the most productive, and prolific offenses in the history of Maverick Football (check the numbers). That is saying a lot.Sit back, buckle your seat belts, and enjoy the ride. Go Mavs!
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Post by Mavchamp on Aug 28, 2022 0:33:33 GMT -6
No, we don't need Longview to make mistakes and turnovers (except if they are created by our defense) to win this game. Regardless of the disparity in enrollment numbers,Marshall has the talent, and ability to win and play with Longview every year. Marshall wins this game because we have kids who are not going into this game just to compete, or make a good showing; Marshall wins becase we have a team that has taken on the personality of there coach, and they expect to win. Yes, we have some areas that we need to clean-up, but that is to be expected after the first game. Make no mistake about it, this defense is exactly who we thought they were at the beginning of the season (maybe better). The Wildcard is every body knows that the offense is going to eventually be good, they just didn't know it was going to be this good, this soon. This team doesn't have to learn this new system, through hard work they have already gotten it down. If we are not careful, we will witness one of the most productive, and prolific offenses in the history of Maverick Football (check the numbers). That is saying a lot.Sit back, buckle your seat belts, and enjoy the ride. Go Mavs! I love the enthusiasm. And the confidence. But Longview isn't #1 in the state by accident. They are LOADED..... at every position. I'm not saying we CAN'T WIN..... I always believe there is a chance.......but lets temper the rhetoric a bit. Longview is where we want to be as a program. We're working towards that. But acting like what they bring to the table is irrelevant is just ridiculous. They have great coaching, depth, and talent all over the place. Respect is due. |
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Post by Observer on Aug 28, 2022 11:30:11 GMT -6
I want Marshall to win this game. But like Mavchamp said, we are working towards where Longview is right now. We aren't there yet. Just look at the sub-varsity scores to see the difference. Longview wins on all levels 9-12. They win and they usually win big at every level.
I want Marshall to win this game. But if not, then I think keeping the game close and competitive would be a huge boost too. It would at least maybe end the all the talk by Marshall and Longview fans saying the series needs to end. I'm willing to bet Longview would be more excited about keeping the game going if we could actually give them a tough game annually, even if they continue winning. 40-7 games every year don't help either of us.
Let's keep it close. Maybe we can steal a win. But if not, let's at least leave the stadium with some respect from the Lobos.
I think we're headed in the right direction.
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Post by mav75 on Aug 28, 2022 11:48:57 GMT -6
I promise you that I'm not just an enthusiastic Homer, nor am I disillusioned about who Longview is. I have the utmost respect for them (they have definitely earned that), I just don't fear them, nor am I in awe of them. Yes they are loaded, but so are we. The only difference is that everyone knows what they have, but most people are only aware of part of what we have. That works to our advantage. People like to rationalize why last year's game was close 14-0 advantage Longview. Both teams are returning just about the same number of starters, and we did that with literally no offense. Yes, Longview is ranked #1 in the state, but what does that say about us after we beat them? I earnestly believe that this team
has the ability to run the table, and I also belief that Longview can lose to us, and still run the table. I guess we will see how close I am to being right Friday night.
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Post by Mavchamp on Aug 28, 2022 11:52:17 GMT -6
I'll admit it.....I'm one of the folks that would be OK if the series ended. But that's because I don't see the point in total and complete beatdowns year after year. Why not find a 5A Div II school that has a great program to test us...but at least be in the same stratosphere as Marshall. NO ONE can deny Longview is in a different orbit. There IS a reason UIL classifies schools.... it's about competitive balance. The fact that LHS has 800 more students is telling.
BUTTTTTT......
IF..... this game were to become competitive annually.... I'd support it continuing. Even if the losses continued. I don't mind losing to a great team 14-7 or 21-14. But getting run out of the stadium every year helps neither team TBH.
I can't speak for Lobo fans. But I'll admit I'd support the game continuing if we could hang around and make it a tough game.
An occasional win would be fantastic.
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Post by Mavdad on Aug 28, 2022 12:16:47 GMT -6
Mavs get the upset 24-21.
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Post by MAVO on Aug 28, 2022 12:45:54 GMT -6
Hopefully our secondary will be improved this week. They got torched the other night. All the stupid penalties (facemasks) and the personal fouls. If we do all that this week we will get bombed. We also need to consider Longview's defense will be much better than John Tyler's was. We won't be rushing for 300 yards against the Lobos. The passing game has got to improve. It's not even a real threat right now, which means Longview will be loading the box to stop the run. And don't even get me started on our nonexistent kicking game.. Do we not have any kickers? I feel good about the win over John Tyler, but this week is a completely different animal. Longview is light years better than JT and they want nothing more than to beat Marshall down like they always do.
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Post by mav75 on Aug 28, 2022 13:11:50 GMT -6
Yes, let it be known that I'm one of those in favor of this series being continued indefinitely. I'm not fazed by the enrollment numbers, and I understand that the UIL has a job to do as it relates to fair and competitive competition. But, if the truth be told, that has very little to do with the annual beating that we usually receive at the hands of the Lobos. We normally lose not because of our inability to play with the Lobo, but because of other extenuating circumstances. 1. Poor coaching that has our kids unprepared; 2 Kids that choose not to play, because of poor coaching; 3. Kids who choose to go elsewhere and play; 4. Coaches that chooses not to play the best 11 players. Finally, one of the reasons why we get blown out by Longview is because Coaches do not have our kids prepared to match Longview's physicality. That won't happen this year. This is a statement of fact, Marshall has at least 9 kids (starters that live in Marshall) playing for other schools. 4 of which have DI offers. The thing that I'm most excited about, is that we now a coach that I believe is going to plug the holes. Somethings we'll just have to agree to disagree on. As the results began to unfold under the leadership of our new AD/HFC some things will become clearer. Let's just wait and see.
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Post by goonsquad on Aug 28, 2022 13:37:46 GMT -6
I hear what everyone is saying. Those say Mavs got it. Those that say Longview will beat us down. Look at the facts since 2019. The freshman class took Longview freshman class to the limit. Could’ve easily won this game. Last year, under Griedl, Mavs agsin took them to the limit. King and his boys were glad the game ended because we were coming back.
Concerns about defense. Out front 7 is SOLID - JT was playing very dirty. Punches thrown throughout the game. A lot of it not called. Longview plays with a lot more class. Trust me they will clean it up this week.
We know what coach King will deliver. The players know. The X factor is Coach Alvarez and his staff. King does not know what he’s going to bring. We beat JT on the ground because they handed the lanes to us. Alvarez and Co. recognized JT weakness early on and exploited it all night. Why pass when u can run the ball down your opponents throat and avg 5 yards a play or more. We weren’t punting because he wanted to show the team he has faith in them. It’s not because we don’t have a punter. Byrd punted once and pinned back on their 3 yard line.
Trust me he’ll have a plan and it will be a dogfight. But we can certainly win this game. And I expect us to beat Carthage. Watch. And see. This team is gonna do some crazy stuff this year. They believe in each other and they believe in the leadership.
These Seniors in this team know they can beat Longview. Win or lose this game. Everyone will be on notice- we’re coming this year!
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Post by Mavchamp on Aug 28, 2022 13:41:12 GMT -6
Yes, let it be known that I'm one of those in favor of this series being continued indefinitely. I'm not fazed by the enrollment numbers, and I understand that the UIL has a job to do as it relates to fair and competitive competition. But, if the truth be told, that has very little to do with the annual beating that we usually receive at the hands of the Lobos. We normally lose not because of our inability to play with the Lobo, but because of other extenuating circumstances. 1. Poor coaching that has our kids unprepared; 2 Kids that choose not to play, because of poor coaching; 3. Kids who choose to go elsewhere and play; 4. Coaches that chooses not to play the best 11 players. Finally, one of the reasons why we get blown out by Longview is because Coaches do not have our kids prepared to match Longview's physicality. That won't happen this year. This is a statement of fact, Marshall has at least 9 kids (starters that live in Marshall) playing for other schools. 4 of which have DI offers. The thing that I'm most excited about, is that we now a coach that I believe is going to plug the holes. Somethings we'll just have to agree to disagree on. As the results began to unfold under the leadership of our new AD/HFC some things will become clearer. Let's just wait and see. TOTALLY DISAGREE. It's not JUST COACHING that has lead to Longview's hot streak. Has it played a part? Sure....but you can't lay this at the feet of JUST COACHING. Otherwise we'd see different results from the different coaches....and we haven't. Since Parker and Harper left.... it's been UGLY. Rodney Southern NEVER beat Longview... and he took Marshall to back to back state championship games. Bad coaching? Thedrick Harris NEVER beat Longview... and he never missed the playoffs as Marshall's coach. Had a regional appearance in 2009. Bad coaching? Alex Richters NEVER beat Longview.... he didn't really beat anyone. Clint Harper.... Only beat Longview once... never missed the playoffs. Had a regional team in 2015. Bad coaching?. Claude Mathis... NEVER beat Longview... had one of the best Marshall teams in history in 2018. Never missed the playoffs and look what he's done at Desoto. Bad Coaching? Jake Greidl.... NEVER beat Longview... only missed the playoffs once. Doesn't seem to matter who the coach is..... even when they are a REALLY GOOD coach. Look at what Longview has done to EVEYONE in East Texas the last 20 years. Has anyone REALLY competed against them? Tyler Legaacy...NO. Texas High...NO. Tyler...Intermittently. But when they lost to Longview, it's by HUGE margins. Hallsville....LMAO. Mount Pleasant....NOOOO Sulphur Springs.... got BLOWN OUT by Longview the year they won state. Lufkin... hasn't been competitive with Longview most of the last decade. Pine Tree... U G L Y This isn't about Marshall..or Tyler..or Lufkin...or Texas High..... It's not about the coaching at any of them either. This is about Longview.... and who they are right now. The are a big school....getting fed talent from THREE middle schools. They have the most stable staff around. They have a system 9-12. They have talent out the wazoo. They have a culture of excellence. They have an expectation from a nearly psychotic fanbase. All that adds up to the juggernaut they have become. That's all about Longview. Not anyone else. They are who we all (Marshall, Lufkin, Texas High, Tyler) want to become. And until that happens....we have to take our lumps and listen to their fans drone on about how they are the best. Because they are. But to lay our issues Vs. Longview SOLELY at the feet of our coaching is ridiculous. We have fewer bodies. Fewer athletes. A staff that turns over regularly and an opponent that is simply in a different orbit than EVERYONE else in East Texas 5A/6A. |
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Post by Mavchamp on Aug 28, 2022 13:46:38 GMT -6
I hear what everyone is saying. Those say Mavs got it. Those that say Longview will beat us down. Look at the facts since 2019. The freshman class took Longview freshman class to the limit. Could’ve easily won this game. Last year, under Griedl, Mavs agsin took them to the limit. King and his boys were glad the game ended because we were coming back. Concerns about defense. Out front 7 is SOLID - JT was playing very dirty. Punches thrown throughout the game. A lot of it not called. Longview plays with a lot more class. Trust me they will clean it up this week. We know what coach King will deliver. The players know. The X factor is Coach Alvarez and his staff. King does not know what he’s going to bring. We beat JT on the ground because they handed the lanes to us. Alvarez and Co. recognized JT weakness early on and exploited it all night. Why pass when u can run the ball down your opponents throat and avg 5 yards a play or more. We weren’t punting because he wanted to show the team he has faith in them. It’s not because we don’t have a punter. Byrd punted once and pinned back on their 3 yard line. Trust me he’ll have a plan and it will be a dogfight. But we can certainly win this game. And I expect us to beat Carthage. Watch. And see. This team is gonna do some crazy stuff this year. They believe in each other and they believe in the leadership. These Seniors in this team know they can beat Longview. Win or lose this game. Everyone will be on notice- we’re coming this year! GREAT POST!! |
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Post by goonsquad on Aug 28, 2022 13:54:35 GMT -6
I’m guessing some of you who think Marshall doesn’t stand a chance certainly don’t have any kids on the field or skin in the game. With some of your attitudes- you might as well
Just forfeit now. Mike Tyson and Ali were two of the greatest champions ever, until they got beat. That’s why you play the game. And if, maybe you’re right, it’s still good work for us to get better. But these boys know/ believe they can win this game. It’s going to have to be a perfect game, but we can win.
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Post by Mavchamp on Aug 28, 2022 14:10:46 GMT -6
I’m guessing some of you who think Marshall doesn’t stand a chance certainly don’t have any kids on the field or skin in the game. With some of your attitudes- you might as well Just forfeit now. Mike Tyson and Ali were two of the greatest champions ever, until they got beat. That’s why you play the game. And if, maybe you’re right, it’s still good work for us to get better. But these boys know/ believe they can win this game. It’s going to have to be a perfect game, but we can win. I absolutely believe Marshall can win!!!! But I don't believe in trashing talking past coaches and talking about Longview like they are Pine Tree. GO MAVS GO! |
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Post by Mavfan4life on Aug 28, 2022 14:15:16 GMT -6
Repeat of 1998!
Marshall shocks #1 Longview by beating them 35-28 in double overtime!!!!!!!
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Post by LoboBooster73 on Aug 28, 2022 14:17:06 GMT -6
Lobos by 28
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Post by Mavchamp on Aug 28, 2022 14:20:40 GMT -6
Repeat of 1998! Marshall shocks #1 Longview by beating them 35-28 in double overtime!!!!!!! GREAT GAME!!! But I don't think either Marshall or Longview want to repeat 1998. We were both ranked #1 at some point.... and NEITHER of us made the playoffs that year. NO TAHNK YOU! LOL. No matter what happens this Friday in Longview..... I think this team is primed and ready for a good long run in the playoffs. |
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Post by Observer on Aug 28, 2022 14:31:11 GMT -6
I’m guessing some of you who think Marshall doesn’t stand a chance certainly don’t have any kids on the field or skin in the game. With some of your attitudes- you might as well Just forfeit now. Mike Tyson and Ali were two of the greatest champions ever, until they got beat. That’s why you play the game. And if, maybe you’re right, it’s still good work for us to get better. But these boys know/ believe they can win this game. It’s going to have to be a perfect game, but we can win. We are talking about a bunch of teenagers. Anything can happen. Anyone can be beat. And yes I think we can beat Marshall. But I don't think we are anywhere near Longview's level right now. They didn't get there overnight and neither will we. |
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Post by Observer on Aug 28, 2022 14:32:26 GMT -6
Repeat of 1998! Marshall shocks #1 Longview by beating them 35-28 in double overtime!!!!!!! One of the best games I've ever witnessed. But didn't we miss the playoffs that season because we lost to Lufkin in the last game of the season? |
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Post by LoboFan07 on Aug 28, 2022 17:37:18 GMT -6
The X factor is Coach Alvarez and his staff. King does not know what he’s going to bring. You're out of your mind if you don't think Coach King and our staff know what he's going to bring.
King was already talking about him and his style of coaching in the pre game show last week when we were playing Boyd.
We literally played a coach Alvarez led team less than 5 years ago. Now I don't think we're going to win by over 50 like we did in that game, but King knows Alvarez. They have been friends a long ass time, and King has openly talked about him numerous times that we could have potentially played his coached teams, or just in passing as good friend.
We are not John Tyler, that's all I'll say. I'll also say, this Longview team is not last year's team and that result (just like any result) has absolutely zero barring on Friday night's scoreline.
Best of luck Mavs. Looking forward to more talk this week from mav75 and company. No doubt, Longview fans (and others) will continue to be reading.
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Post by LoboUp on Aug 28, 2022 19:33:12 GMT -6
I was wrong about JT. I’ll give y’all credit for beating the worst team in our district. Longview about to whoop dat a@@! 52-0.
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Post by Mavfan4life on Aug 28, 2022 19:42:27 GMT -6
Mavs Champ said Longview got a crazy fan base. And we got ONE fool on here talking crazy. I think most of us know the uphill battle we are facing. But trash talking when we haven’t beat them in 100 years is just dumb.
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Post by mavlife on Aug 28, 2022 19:50:10 GMT -6
I was wrong about JT. I’ll give y’all credit for beating the worst team in our district. Longview about to whoop dat ass! 52-0. |
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Post by mavlife on Aug 28, 2022 19:55:28 GMT -6
I was wrong about JT. I’ll give y’all credit for beating the worst team in our district. Longview about to whoop dat ass! 52-0. Here we go with the foolish talk. There were ppl on here discussing the game intelligently and a lobo talks stupid. I bleed Maverick red to the core and I won’t give you chumps credit for squat. You’ve got everything to lose, so the pressure is on you. You guys are gonna get the best of the Mavs this Friday and they don’t care how many so called D1 players you have. Strap up, line up, and go to war. |
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Post by Mavchamp on Aug 28, 2022 20:50:02 GMT -6
Ya'll play nice.
Longview and Marshall fans.
I'll will edit out curse words, vulgarities, and other things that really should be said on a family site.
Thanks.
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Post by LoboUp on Aug 28, 2022 21:47:16 GMT -6
Here we go with the foolish talk. There were ppl on here discussing the game intelligently and a lobo talks stupid. I bleed Maverick red to the core and I won’t give you chumps credit for squat. You’ve got everything to lose, so the pressure is on you. You guys are gonna get the best of the Mavs this Friday and they don’t care how many so called D1 players you have. Strap up, line up, and go to war. We ain’t losin nothin. This team is better than 2018 and we all know how that went. 52-0. Maybe worse if coach is still mad about last year. |
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Post by Mavchamp on Aug 28, 2022 22:14:55 GMT -6
I know tons of Mav fans. Great people. And a few knuckleheads.
2 of my best friends are diehard Lobo fans. They will confess they have knuckleheads on their side too.
We are rivals. Not enemies.
Be kind or be gone.
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Post by LoboFan on Aug 29, 2022 11:34:36 GMT -6
Put everyone out of their misery and end this series. Marshall can play people more on their level like pine tree and Spring Hill. They probably suck against them too.
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