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Post by Mavchamp on Jun 30, 2022 13:44:31 GMT -6
The Mavericks will open the 2022 season against their oldest rival of all time: Tyler High.
This is a historical rivalry that spans over 110 years! I'll be posting some of the historical games and stats of the series in the coming weeks.
IN THE MEAN TIME.... let's talk about the game.
Who wins? Score predictions?
I'll be posting roster information and such when the game gets closer.
GO MAVS GO!
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Post by Observer on Jul 1, 2022 16:16:09 GMT -6
Success for Marshall in this game, and for the season boils down to 2 things:
Offensive line play
Quarterback play
The offensive line has been our biggest struggle for the last 2-3 seasons. If we don't improve there, I think we continue to struggle against better teams. If they can pull together and have a strong season, the sky's the limit. JQ Davis will have an all-state year of the O-line helps him out. Having a couple of other guys in the backfield as a threat to compliment JQ will make for a hard offense to stop.
The next piece of the puzzle is the quarterback. Slone showed a ton of improvement from September to end of the season when he was filling in for Olvera when he was hurt.
If he continued to improve in the off season along with 7 on 7, then he should br ready for the prime time as a Junior. But if he hasn't improved much, he becomes a liability. Especially if the offensive line isn't any better.
I think Alvarez's system will favor Slone's game... which will allow for a pocket passer making shorter throws to his receivers. Less throws way down field.
But if he comes out tossing tons of INT's like we saw against New Caney and Longview last season.... it could be a long season for him and the Mavs.
I have no idea about Tyler. They aren't the John Tyler of old. They aren't the powerhouse they once were, but they should still be a good test.
I'm going to take Marshall in a close one 17-10.
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Post by RedandWhite on Jul 1, 2022 17:10:02 GMT -6
Tyler should be favored, but I think we can pull the upset. The Lions aren't settled at quarterback and their defense isn't stellar. If our defense can play a good game and out offense just grind it out with JQ running the ball, we can get the upset. Really just comes down to how well our offense plays.
Marshall wins 21-14 if the offense plays smart. If they don't, then Tyler wins 17-7.
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Post by CUJOOOOOOOOOO on Jul 1, 2022 17:30:34 GMT -6
Cujo gon whip dat azzzzzzzz!!! Who Marshal? Nobody!!!!
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Post by MAVO on Jul 1, 2022 17:35:33 GMT -6
Everyone is worried about the offense, but I think they are going to be a lot better than people think they will. And they will get better and better as the season progresses. Coach Alvarez is a master of getting his offense off the ground. The Mavs are going to be fun to watch this season. Be patient and by the time things really count we will be in good shape.
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Post by MAVO on Jul 1, 2022 17:36:21 GMT -6
Everyone is worried about the offense, but I think they are going to be a lot better than people think they will. And they will get better and better as the season progresses. Coach Alvarez is a master of getting his offense off the ground. The Mavs are going to be fun to watch this season. Be patient and by the time things really count we will be in good shape. Do they teach English and grammar in Tyler?
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Post by MAVO on Jul 1, 2022 17:37:03 GMT -6
The Mavericks will open the 2022 season against their oldest rival of all time: Tyler High. This is a historical rivalry that spans over 110 years! I'll be posting some of the historical games and stats of the series in the coming weeks. IN THE MEAN TIME.... let's talk about the game. Who wins? Score predictions? I'll be posting roster information and such when the game gets closer. GO MAVS GO! When was the last time Marshall and Tyler played each other? It's been a while. I'm guessing 2010 or 2011?
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Post by Mavchamp on Jul 1, 2022 17:50:58 GMT -6
We were in the same 4A district together in 2010 and 2011. That was the last time we faced them.
Before 2010....we hadn't playdd them since 2001 when we were in the original East Texas 5A district.
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Post by Mavchamp on Jul 1, 2022 17:53:27 GMT -6
We've lost the last 5 games to Tyler.
2011, 2010, 2001, 2000, 1999
Last Marshall win was in 1998.
I'll have more historical stuff closer to the game week.
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Post by CUJO on Jul 1, 2022 17:58:38 GMT -6
Everyone is worried about the offense, but I think they are going to be a lot better than people think they will. And they will get better and better as the season progresses. Coach Alvarez is a master of getting his offense off the ground. The Mavs are going to be fun to watch this season. Be patient and by the time things really count we will be in good shape. Do they teach English and grammar in Tyler? They teach us how to put azz whoopin on a buncha hicks.
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Post by mavpa on Jul 1, 2022 18:06:04 GMT -6
Looking forward to seeing the Alvarez version of Maverick football. Marshall wins close one 17-14.
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Post by Lobo13 on Jul 1, 2022 18:06:54 GMT -6
Pulling for Marshall, but Tyler will win easily.
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Post by Observer on Jul 1, 2022 18:26:50 GMT -6
Tyler should be favored, but I think we can pull the upset. The Lions aren't settled at quarterback and their defense isn't stellar. If our defense can play a good game and out offense just grind it out with JQ running the ball, we can get the upset. Really just comes down to how well our offense plays. Marshall wins 21-14 if the offense plays smart. If they don't, then Tyler wins 17-7. No doubt Tyler should be favored. They are a 5A division 1 school. They are significatly bigger than us. They have a big group of players coming back from a playoff team last year. I have no doubt they will be favored to win by most. But I think it's winnable for us. Tyler isn't Longview.
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Post by Observer on Jul 1, 2022 18:28:55 GMT -6
Pulling for Marshall, but Tyler will win easily. Easily you think? Maybe. But I have more faith in our defense to not get blown out. Unless our offense turns the ball over a lot or punts on every possession.
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Post by nacdragon07 on Jul 1, 2022 18:38:51 GMT -6
First games of the season are tricky to predict. Some kids are getting their first glimpse of varsity Action. Marshall will be breaking in a New Coaching Staff plus a new offensive system. I see this one being Close and competitive I’m actually going with Marshall by 3.
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Post by Mavchamp on Jul 5, 2022 19:44:28 GMT -6
Tyler is ranked #24 in 5A Division I Longview is ranked #1 in 5A Division I Henderson is unranked Carthage is ranked #1 in 4A Division II
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Post by nacdragon07 on Jul 6, 2022 12:24:01 GMT -6
The Mavs will certainly be battled tested by the time district play arrives.
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Post by Gramps on Jul 8, 2022 16:44:33 GMT -6
If out offensive line and QB just have decent games we should win on the strength of our defense. But if we go out there and throw interceptions, fumble the ball, and don't hold the line of scrimmage then Tyler will embarrass us at home.
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Post by Mavchamp on Jul 10, 2022 11:39:29 GMT -6
I think consensus is that the defense should be pretty good this season.
It's going to come down to how quickly the offense comes together.
Mainly the offensive line.
Obviously having a QB that understands the new system is HUGE. And that's a lot to ask of a young junior.
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Post by Big-eeLobo on Jul 11, 2022 11:45:11 GMT -6
John Tyler about to whip dat azzzzzzz
JT 49 Marshall 6
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Post by Observer on Jul 15, 2022 14:11:28 GMT -6
I think it's going to be a close game.
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Post by MAVO on Jul 21, 2022 16:38:29 GMT -6
I think it's going to be a close game. Doesn't look like anyone in Tyler is expecting a close game. If it's close it means their season will suck. I guess I don't understand because Tyler wasn't that great last season. They barely made the playoffs and then got blown out in the first round. Aren't we the ones with all the returning talent from a playoff team last year? I'm confused why they think they will dominate us. Is it just because we are division II?
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Post by Mavchamp on Jul 22, 2022 14:29:45 GMT -6
Sure...the divisions matter. They are a much bigger school than us.
They have a stable coaching staff for the last few years.
They have a lot of returning starters....some of them blue chip players.
I understand their confidence.......
But all that being said..... I still think we can win.
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Post by RedandWhite on Jul 24, 2022 10:58:34 GMT -6
Honestly.... Marshall needed a schedule this season compared to what we had in 2015.
Challenging but still competitive so we can get some momentum headed into district. Longview was a district game that season, so we didn't face them early on.
We had a great mix of very winnable games (which we all won) that year.
We need to get back to that. Drop Longview. Keep Carthage. And fill the rest of the slots with 5A Division II schools that we can compete against.
Heading into district play being (4-0) or (3-1) seems 10000Xs better than limping into district being (1-3) or something. Which is what we've historically done. We get our tails whipped by 6A and 5A Division I schools or programs like Carthage. We limp into district with no confidence.
Why not play Carthage (tough game) then play 5A Division II schools like Ennis, Corsicana, Mesquite Poteet?
Seems to make sense to me.
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Post by Mavchamp on Jul 24, 2022 11:50:38 GMT -6
I agree we could use a little revamping of our non-district schedule..... but there is more to consider than just deciding to do it.
1. Playing those schools you listed.....Corsicana, Ennis...Poteet... those are all schools in our region now..... we could potentially be playing those schools in the second round of the playoffs. Generally speaking... coaching want to avoid playing schools in September that they could possibly face early in the playoffs. of course...the odds of you drawing the same school you played early on in the playoffs is small....but it's definitely not impossible.
2. Finding 5A Div II teams willing to come to Marshall to play won't be easy. All of the 5A Div II schools in East Texas are in one single district. That means if we want to face another 5A Div II school....we have to look outside of our immediate area. That creates problems. Lots of schools in the metroplex, or along the I-35 corridor, or even Houston area schools see no reason to drive all the way out to Marshall when they have 5A Div II schools all around them....with much closer drives. No reason to force your fanbase to drive 2....3...or 4 hours to Marshall when you can play someone just a few miles down the road.
3. The Longview game is all about $$$ for both programs. The end. Period. Doesn't really serve any football purposes for either.
4. Do we resume playing Louisiana and Arkansas schools? Sure there are some good ones..... Neville, Ouachita, Byrd, Bossire Parkway.... all of which we have histories with. Arkansas was always hit or miss with Benton, North Little Rock, and Arkansas High.
My idea of a great non-district schedule:
Week 1: Shreveport Byrd Week 2: Carthage Week 3: Ennis Week 4: Mesquite Poteet or Bossire Parkway
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Post by Mav14 on Jul 29, 2022 10:55:47 GMT -6
Want to believe in my Mavs, but this is not a great game to open with a new offense and a new staff. Could be rough. Then Longview. Yuck.
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Post by mav75 on Jul 29, 2022 17:42:35 GMT -6
Call me a "Homer" if you will,but let me be the first to step into the deep water. I know that many will probably write me off as insane, but Marshall over Tyler (not even close). I won't stop there, Marshall over Longview by at least 10. Yes, I am drinking the "Red Kool Aid." Maybe after this year we will put a stop to all the "Take Longview off the schedule" talk. The scores of the recent (M/L) games were Not a true and real reflection of Marshall's ability to play with the "Green Machine." We have never lacked the talent, we've just been waiting on the right Coach. Let me share this one last thing with you. Don't be so hard on your team when they get rolled over by Big Red." It's just a sign of the times, things to come, and the changing of the guard. Don't worry, you can lose to Marshall, and still have a good team. I will reserve my other thoughts, and opinions until after the game. I'm not going to apologize, this is what I believe, and I'm sticking with it.
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Post by Mav01 on Jul 29, 2022 23:02:08 GMT -6
Seeing how our offense has been nearly non existent the last 2 years, I don't see us being in a bad situation early while learning the system. It can't be much worse than the first few games of last few years. As long as the D is on the same level anyways. Offense just needs to play more physical and open up some lanes for the playmakers. JA is going to go with what's working and take what defense gives. If that happens, the game will be competitive with a possible win.
I wouldn't call us beating JT a true upset. Not many outside of Tyler would be shocked. We may be a slight underdog but we can play with anyone when offense is moving the ball. Time will tell. Either way, these early games will be more about finding an identity and execution before the district games kick off.
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Post by mav75 on Jul 30, 2022 8:18:25 GMT -6
Make no mistake about it, this not the offense of the last two years. I won't say anything negative about our previous coaches (grateful for what they did), but Alvarez is a better fit for Marshall. Based on what I know about this team, I expect them to come out in mid season form. Buckle your seat belts, and get ready for the ride of your life. Most of the time I'll sit back, read the post, and say nothing. But, I decided to speak out now, because anyone can jump on the wagon once it gets rolling. I promise you, they won't see this coming. I've read all the comments about how Longview played one of their worst games last year (14-0), but normally there is a reason for a team playing bad. The score was only 14-0, and we had no offense at all. If Longview is the number one team in the state, and I'm not saying they aren't (5A DI), go ahead and make your reservations for "Jerry World." Let me say this. This team is not afraid of Longview, or anyone else. These kids beat Longview in the 8th grade. They came to within a couple of plays of beating them in the 9th. We lost at the end of the game, on a play to Hale. But this was only after our starting DB was out of the game due to injury. Buckle up, and get ready for the ride.
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Post by LoboFan07 on Jul 30, 2022 11:19:30 GMT -6
I've read all the comments about how Longview played one of their worst games last year (14-0), but normally there is a reason for a team playing bad. The score was only 14-0, and we had no offense at all. If Longview is the number one team in the state, and I'm not saying they aren't (5A DI), go ahead and make your reservations for "Jerry World." Let me say this. This team is not afraid of Longview, or anyone else. These kids beat Longview in the 8th grade. They came to within a couple of plays of beating them in the 9th. We lost at the end of the game, on a play to Hale. But this was only after our starting DB was out of the game due to injury. Buckle up, and get ready for the ride. No one discredited Marshall's defense from their efforts last season at Lobo. But yes, it was by far one of our worst games of the season. Nothing will top the McKinney North game, but at the end of the day, Longview still walked out with a two score win.
And congratulations on beating one of our three middle schools in...middle school football. A freshmen close defeat as well is something I guess you can get behind.
Longview's class is one of a ton of talent coming up. Our senior class is still one of the weakest senior classes we've had in the John King era, but the talent behind them in the 2024 and 2025 classes is extremely high for a Lobo squad. We have plenty of reason to think we'll be competing for a title the next 2/3 seasons with what we have on that field, not to mention a blow out win over Denton Ryan and a 2 score victory over Highland Park at Highlander on the sub varsity level last season (since we're bringing those results up).
Marshall will be talented, and anyone who thinks otherwise can't see what's infront of them. We've, at Longview, played Jack Alvarez and his offense less than five years ago. King and him know exactly what to expect from each other. We'll see if y'all can replicate the similar result by shutting us down. I do think it will be extremely difficult to move the ball on our defense this upcoming season.
At the end of the day though, we still have two teams to play each before a Longview/Marshall match up is on the docket (scrimmage plus week 1).
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